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Old 08/15/05, 11:25 AM
 
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Techno-Amish rides again! (pics)

This is a story that's got something for everyone... a little good-ole boy ingenuity, a little self sufficiency, a little techo-nerdism ending up in an evening of good eatin'

As any of you that read the rabbit forum know I run a rabbit colony instead of individual cages. I stated with little more than an old dog pen with some spare chicken wire thrown up to cover the lower quarter to keep the little ones in. Over the months the colony has flourished and my setup has matured.

First was the implementation of the one way rabbit door. As the pen was a refit dog run patched to hold much smaller animals I had a number of holes that needed to be patched as the rabbits found them. So, I put together a one way door of sorts out of PVC and wire to allow the escapees back into the pen after I had patched the holes. This has turned out to be a great asset, though with (knock on wood) all the holes patched it hasn't been used much lately.

Next came the more involved feeding station. Nothing grand mind you just moving the feed to a better area, keeping it out of the rain better and providing an area that let me catch, with more regularity, the rabbits that were feeding.

Now, the latest innovation for the colony, the catch pen. For months now I've been using a landing net to grab rabbits for examination and slaughter. Up till now this has worked rather well. However, they are now up to 4 burrows in the colony most of which now seem to be interconnected. One of which is under the feeding station. I used to be able to go into the pen and slowly block off all the burrows but the one under the feeding station is impossible to close off. So, my ability to cull specific rabbits was extremely limited. I didn't want to shoot the rabbits either because the ones I usually want to cull seem to be the most skiddish and hang out by the burrows. I don't want to hit one and have it make it back down into the burrow and die. I also don't want to have a bullet pass through one and get one of my expensive breeding stock sooooo.... I came upon the idea of the catch pen.

One corner of the pen has been divided off. I set the corner post and dug up about 6" of soil throughout the whole area. I then laid down wire and covered it back over. This is to keep them from burrowing in this one section of the pen. I then set up a second post, with threshold and lintel with a hinged door and a high cross bar to mount my door release from.

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You can see from the pic that I now use this area for all greens feedings. Typically we throw many of our (safe) weedings into the pen as well as spent plants from the garden (corn, beans, etc) but we now put them into this area so they are very comfortable with the pen. Also, most of their water is located in the pen. This shot was right before the first catch. I waited for a few more of the right age to get into the pen and then fired the release.

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The release is a simple gate catch, with the rope from the gate attached to a swivel D ring. At first I had this then connected to a long rope. I had the rope run all the way back to the porch of the house. This was alright but, when not in use the rope got in the way, and I had to double loop the rope when not in use so it wouldn't get accidentally tripped. Which means I had to prep the trap (which would scare off the rabbits for a bit) and then wait for them. I also could only spring the trap from one place. If I wanted to do it from somewhere else I had to rerun the rope (not a big deal but it again would scare the rabbits until everything calmed down again) So, the idea kept coming to me... this would be a lot easier if I could do it by remote. I even ended up on Radio Shack's website to see what sort of actuators they might have and day dream about how cool it could be if.... Well, it stuck me while I was looking at the site that I had everything I need right here.

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Having a number of kids means eventually you've got a few less than operable RC vehicles around so like Dr. Frankenstein I went to work. I pulled the receiver and drive motor from the car (saving the steering servo for another use) and mounted them to the back of the upper cross bar. I then ran some line to the release and installed a roof to keep the electronics dry. Now all I have to do is flip the switch from anywhere around the pen and the motor fires off, the release is pulled and the door slams shut. Then I can pick any rabbit I want, inspect them, cull them, what have you. Ease of use AND I get to use a remote. Now, if I could just get my recliner out by the pen it would be the perfect gift for any man. :P

Just thought I'd share in my little accomplishment.

J

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Old 08/15/05, 11:50 AM
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Thatch,I have followed your rabbit experiences and discuss it a lot with Mrs. I like the premise of the rabbits living cage free,so to speak.

Now I have done caged rabbits,and handled them a lot,so they were pretty easy to pick up and dispatch as needed.

How do yours respond to being picked up for inspection and such?

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Old 08/15/05, 12:01 PM
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.... Now, if I could just get my recliner out by the pen it would be the perfect gift for any man. :P
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Old 08/15/05, 01:17 PM
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Please consider sending your story and pictures in to Countryside and Small Stock Journal. You can send directly to editor at annemarie@tds.com. I believe pictures will need to be as attachments.
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Old 08/15/05, 01:28 PM
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I've oftern wondered how a person would go about catching them when raised in colonies. I never thought about haveing a feeding pen inside the colony. That is a great ideal Thatch, thanks for posting this.
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Old 08/15/05, 01:42 PM
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Please consider sending your story and pictures in to Countryside and Small Stock Journal. You can send directly to editor at annemarie@tds.com. I believe pictures will need to be as attachments.
Excellent idea Ken,I sure have been impressed,would make a GREAT article!

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Very Nice!!!

I used to buy rabbits from an elderly man that had a great colony in a corner of his barn. He made little wooden huts for them and had paths for their exercise and " socializing " with I think sawdust and bordered with wooden barriers. It was always clean. I would choose the one I wanted ( for frying ) and go back the next day with my large roasting pan and he would have a large rabbit ready for me to cook for supper. I don't know how he caught them but they seemed very tame. They were a large white variety.
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Old 08/15/05, 02:12 PM
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Very clever indeed. Now you got me thinking about the gazillion remote controlled vehicles I got laying around from raising a house full of boys.
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Old 08/15/05, 02:14 PM
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Way to go thatch! I'm getting tired of chasing bunnies too! Glad your a better thinker than I am!!!
I will give this a try for sure.
Now, if it would just work for chickens.....
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Thatch,I have followed your rabbit experiences and discuss it a lot with Mrs. I like the premise of the rabbits living cage free,so to speak.

Now I have done caged rabbits,and handled them a lot,so they were pretty easy to pick up and dispatch as needed.

How do yours respond to being picked up for inspection and such?

BooBoo
Glad I could be of any help. I'm learning as I go along and changing things as needed. This latest adjustment has been really good. It gives me all the things I wanted from cage raising but maintaining my low maintainance colony setup.

As for how do they respond.... well so far I've had no problems. The young that have never been touched aren't in any hurry to have me close but, once in the catch pen I haven't had any get excessively frightened and none have attempted to bite me. I started with good non-agressive stock and it seems to have carried over to the young. Up until now I have caught the babies as often as possible in the feeding station to inspect and sex ID as well. With this new pen I suspect all of them will be handled a bit more, I'll also be able to remove any rabbits suspected of illness which is a big boon to the setup.

J
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Please consider sending your story and pictures in to Countryside and Small Stock Journal. You can send directly to editor at annemarie@tds.com. I believe pictures will need to be as attachments.
Hmmm, I suppose I should do that. Hadn't much thought of it before. I'm certainly no expert, just the one brave (or dumb) enough to give it a whirl. I suppose I could give it a shot though. I have been tracking the progress of things starting with a cage setup through to the current iteration of the colony.

Thanks for the prod.

J
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Old 08/15/05, 08:49 PM
 
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Now as a general thank you...

Thanks for all the positive responses. Glad these posts are finding some readers that get something out of them. I certainly don't have all the ideas... but I've got a few and I'll continue to post them here, warts and all and if one of them works for one of you, it's worth it... or if it makes you think to come up with an even better idea, even better. Please let me know.

J

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Old 08/15/05, 10:13 PM
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Thanks for the great story and pics. Gave me very good ideas. Ya done good!
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Old 08/16/05, 10:03 AM
 
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Thanks Mary.

Small update. I was dressing out a couple last night (having caught them in the catch pen) and heard the door slam shut. A few minutes later my wife comes walking over with a rabbit in her hands. "Is this one big enough?" .... I think she just likes playing with the new toy.

Now I've got ANOTHER remote I've got to hide around here.

J
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Hello Thatch. Thank you for posting your progress. I've been really interested in this. I do have a couple of questions.

Its hard to tell from the pictures, but is there a seperate door you go through into your catch pen? Or do you have to crawl in the new door?

I'd love to hear more details on this idea. Do you find they go through alot more feed then if they were in cages?

Would this idea work in MN where it gets quite cold? Or would I have to transfer the rabbits to a warmer building?

How many rabbits are your breeding stock in that pen? How are you able to keep them apart from the growing young? They all look the same size in your catch pen.

And I may have missed it, but do you keep a buck in there at all times or his he kept seperate?

Thanks.
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9Pines, I'll answer what I can.

On the issue of how to get into the catch pen, that's an easy one. Because the catch pen is completely within the full colony pen the fence is rather short. It is only about 2 feet high or so on the front wall and maybe 3 feet on the side wall. I just step over it to get in. At 6'6" I'm not even going to try to go through the door on that thing.

My breeding stock (right now) consists of 2 new zealands does 2 Californian does and one Californian buck. There is a litter off of one of the New Zealands and my former herd buck that I will be keeping a couple does from to extend things and I will probably keep one or two does from Cali/NZ and full blood Cali kits coming up. (since I'm not raising for the sale of breeding stock a single line breed doesn't bother me since all offspring will go for meat). For now I am just wanting to get to 8-10 does.

I don't keep any of them apart from each other. All the does, bucks and young are in the pen together. I don't let any other bucks come of age and for the most part I've got no real fighting. There does seem to be a bit of nastiness come out right around weaning age with the male suddenly very interested in the doe and her not much interested in him but that lasts for a few days and is over. Everyone gets on pretty well. They groom each other, lay on each other and generally just act like bunnies. When I swapped the bucks out there was a bit of ugliness between the favored doe and the new buck but that is now ending as well. Even that is not much, just a jump or a start when one gets too close to the other, but like I said it's mostly over now as well.

On their ages, actually you've got 4 generations there at least. The big one at the door is one of my cali does. She is right at 3 months (iirc) and behind her the large ones are my 2 NZ does probably 5 months old now (guessing) Then the young are from at least 2 different litters (can't see all to well myself) but it looks like I've got both the 6 weekers and 4 weekers in there... the first 'small one' might be one of the 8 weekers but he's hidden by the pole

On the subject of dealing with temp issues, this is one of the main ones that got me interested in doing this in the first place. I'm in Eastern NC and it's a sweatbox here. Temps and humidity are very oppressive at times. I didn't want to haul ice jugs out to the rabbits, nor spray them with water, turn on fans etc to let them live. I thought the way they handle it (by going underground) a much better temp control system that I could ever come up with so that was the catalyst to doing all this. I've had 0 loss due to high temps and breeding continues as well. Now to your side of the question which is cold, rabbits are much more able to deal with the cold than they are the heat anyway. I don't see as you'd have any trouble at all. They do not hibernate and so long as food was kept plentiful (supplemented with hay) and water was kept thawed I wouldn't suspect you'd have any issues. (though I have no practical experience in cold weather colony raising)

There are more details and discussion on my set up in a couple of threads on the rabbit board. The first one shows pictures of my setup and there is a good discussion on what I've been doing with it.

http://homesteadingtoday.com/showthread.php?t=89720

The next one is a discussion of the addition of my 'one way rabbit door', which was another of my little oddball ideas.

http://homesteadingtoday.com/showthread.php?t=89538

Good luck with things. Do let me know if you end up doing it.

J
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