The non-GMO corn market around here.

[GeneMO]

It tanked in Central Mo. I work with a seed dealer for a major brand of seed.

Out of curiosity I was quizzing him on the availability of Non-GMO seed. Not that i have a thing against GMO, but I have a small 14 acre field in the creek bottoms that has had no herbicides or pesticides on it for ever, least not in my memory. I had thought about planting it to a non GMO and selling that to folks wanting to feed livestock.

So my seed dealer friend said there were lots of varieties of seed available. But he expected few to buy it this coming year. Seems in prior years the growers were getting a premium of up to, and in some cases more than a Dollar a bushel extra. But with more and more growing it, the premium fell to zero.

So why plant a non GMO, get less yield and sell it for the same as higher yielding GMO's.

I am not arguing the merits of one versus the other. Just reporting what I heard. I know that there are some GMO haters on here and thought they would be interested.

Hope they aint eating none of them GMO seedless grapes or watermelons

Gene

[Rustaholic]

if you were here I sure would be buying your open pollinated non-GMO corn.
My soil is crappy but I am going to get it into better shape to grow my own.
I know a whole group of people here that would pay top dollar for pork or chicken fed no GMO feed.

[Woolieface]

I do believe seedless grapes and watermelons are hybrid, not genetically modified.

[willielisa]

Our biggest hurdle here is animal feed when seeking non-gmo. However, being in bourbon country is an advantage, as the local feed/seed mill supplies the distillers here. Since the alcohol is sold internationally, it must be certified non=gmo. So there is still a huge market for it - just have to know where to look, I guess.

[farminghandyman]

there are hybrid NON GMO corns, most corn was hybrid since the 50's but not GMO, GMO I think came in the mid 90's,
http://gmoinside.org/gmo-timeline-a-...odified-foods/

but because it is NON GMO does not mean open pollinated,

[Pony]

We've been growing our own non-GMO feed corn (Reid's Dent) for a few years. It's non-hybrid, too, so we always have seed.

Biggest problem with GMO is pollen drift. You can plant non-GMO, but your crop can be contaminated by drift - and that leaves you open to lawsuits if you grow enough corn.

Seems that if they don't contain their dog, they sue you if our bitch gets pregnant. Something about that is just so wrong.

[Dixie Bee Acres]

Originally Posted by GeneMO

It tanked in Central Mo. I work with a seed dealer for a major brand of seed.

Out of curiosity I was quizzing him on the availability of Non-GMO seed. Not that i have a thing against GMO, but I have a small 14 acre field in the creek bottoms that has had no herbicides or pesticides on it for ever, least not in my memory. I had thought about planting it to a non GMO and selling that to folks wanting to feed livestock.

So my seed dealer friend said there were lots of varieties of seed available. But he expected few to buy it this coming year. Seems in prior years the growers were getting a premium of up to, and in some cases more than a Dollar a bushel extra. But with more and more growing it, the premium fell to zero.

So why plant a non GMO, get less yield and sell it for the same as higher yielding GMO's.

I am not arguing the merits of one versus the other. Just reporting what I heard. I know that there are some GMO haters on here and thought they would be interested.

Hope they aint eating none of them GMO seedless grapes or watermelons

Gene

With your infinite wisdom, would you please be so kind as to explain GMO grapes and watermelons? I know there are hybrids, but never heard that they were GMO, please explain.

[geo in mi]

Originally Posted by Dixie Bee Acres

With your infinite wisdom, would you please be so kind as to explain GMO grapes and watermelons? I know there are hybrids, but never heard that they were GMO, please explain.

http://www.gmo-compass.org/eng/datab...ter_melon.html

http://www.gmo-compass.org/eng/datab...rape_vine.html

The GMO COMPASS Database seems to be a good source of facts about GMO plants. It looks like some trials have been carried out in the US for both grapes and watermelons.....but no approvals yet.

Note: Just yesterday, GMO potatoes and apples were approved by the FDA for the US. To prevent browning in certain apple strains and evidence of bruising of potatoes... http://www.cbsnews.com/news/genetica...-fda-approval/

geo

[geo in mi]

Originally Posted by Dixie Bee Acres

With your infinite wisdom, would you please be so kind as to explain GMO grapes and watermelons? I know there are hybrids, but never heard that they were GMO, please explain.

http://www.gmo-compass.org/eng/datab...ter_melon.html

http://www.gmo-compass.org/eng/datab...rape_vine.html

The GMO Database seems to be a good source of facts about GMO plants. It looks like some trials have been carried out in the US for both grapes and watermelons.....but no approvals yet.

Note: Just yesterday, GMO potatoes and apples were approved by the FDA for the US. To prevent browning in certain apple strains and evidence of bruising of potatoes... http://www.cbsnews.com/news/genetica...-fda-approval/

geo

[Dixie Bee Acres]

Ok, some trials may have been carried out, but that last line of your original post, you made a statement with the implication that seedless watermelons and seedless grapes (that we have been eating for decades) were GMO. They aren't.

[Blue_Goose]

Originally Posted by GeneMO

It tanked in Central Mo. I work with a seed dealer for a major brand of seed.

Out of curiosity I was quizzing him on the availability of Non-GMO seed. Not that i have a thing against GMO, but I have a small 14 acre field in the creek bottoms that has had no herbicides or pesticides on it for ever, least not in my memory. I had thought about planting it to a non GMO and selling that to folks wanting to feed livestock.

So my seed dealer friend said there were lots of varieties of seed available. But he expected few to buy it this coming year. Seems in prior years the growers were getting a premium of up to, and in some cases more than a Dollar a bushel extra. But with more and more growing it, the premium fell to zero.

So why plant a non GMO, get less yield and sell it for the same as higher yielding GMO's.

I am not arguing the merits of one versus the other. Just reporting what I heard. I know that there are some GMO haters on here and thought they would be interested.

Hope they aint eating none of them GMO seedless grapes or watermelons

Gene

Sounds like your seed guy is pro GMO.

[am1too]

Originally Posted by GeneMO

It tanked in Central Mo. I work with a seed dealer for a major brand of seed.

Out of curiosity I was quizzing him on the availability of Non-GMO seed. Not that i have a thing against GMO, but I have a small 14 acre field in the creek bottoms that has had no herbicides or pesticides on it for ever, least not in my memory. I had thought about planting it to a non GMO and selling that to folks wanting to feed livestock.

So my seed dealer friend said there were lots of varieties of seed available. But he expected few to buy it this coming year. Seems in prior years the growers were getting a premium of up to, and in some cases more than a Dollar a bushel extra. But with more and more growing it, the premium fell to zero.

So why plant a non GMO, get less yield and sell it for the same as higher yielding GMO's.

I am not arguing the merits of one versus the other. Just reporting what I heard. I know that there are some GMO haters on here and thought they would be interested.

Hope they aint eating none of them GMO seedless grapes or watermelons

Gene

The issues for me are nutrition and taste. Commercial products have gone down in food value (nutrition). Consuming larger quantities to get the nutrition one needs only adds to fat and disease.

[am1too]

Originally Posted by Rustaholic

if you were here I sure would be buying your open pollinated non-GMO corn.
My soil is crappy but I am going to get it into better shape to grow my own.
I know a whole group of people here that would pay top dollar for pork or chicken fed no GMO feed.

Here they won't buy it if it doesn't come from the store.

They will hesitate to even scarf up the local stuff. I gave up. If I do sell anything it will be through the local farmer's market. That would mean large quantities and not surplus plus a day away.

[rambler]

There is field corn, might be gmo, might be just hybrid.

There is non gmo field corn, might be hybrid, might rarely be open pollinated.

There is organic field corn, might be hybrid, might be open pollinated.

You appear to be aiming for the middle one, which indeed has fallen off the bus in value.

Organic corn still has some value; but typically hauling costs and in efficiency takes all that 'bonus' away. For example, I can get a 55 cent bonus for growing organic corn, or a 10 cent bonus for growing non-gmo corn. But the regular elevator is less than 1 mile from my driveway, while I need to haul the corn 23 miles to the non-gmo and organic buyer around here.

It costs far more than 10 cents a bu in fuel and time to load up and haul 22 extra miles, so non-gmo corn is a total loser here.

Organic corn might look like it pays, but the special requirements of higher cost fertilizer, and risk of more weed and insect damage, makes it also a loser in dollars and cents.

If it were easy everyone would do it.....

A lot of folk get hybrid and gmo mixed up. As I see here in this thread.

If you want a higher bonus premium, you could look into organic corn. But that requires a lot of paperwork, I doubt you could get to it this growing season yet.

Also a very few people look for open pollinated corn, see if anyone by you would be interested. The trouble there is interested buyers end up wanting 10 bu at the most, and so you bed to deal with many customers to sell off even 14 acres worth. Lots of time and effort and chances for bounced checks, dealing with people.... Again, if it were easy......

Amazes me how little people know about the different types of corn - gmo, hybrid, open pollinated, and the combinations of those making corn, non-gmo corn, organic corn, open pollinated corn.

If you find a market near you, its worth looking into.

Paul

[rambler]

Originally Posted by am1too

The issues for me are nutrition and taste. Commercial products have gone down in food value (nutrition). Consuming larger quantities to get the nutrition one needs only adds to fat and disease.

I am not arguing your choice in what to eat, or buy. And taste is an individual deal, I sure understand where you are coming from on that. Tomatoes and watermelon and even sweet corn are bred for tough skins and non bruising traits more so than taste any more. Which is why many like the heirloom crops because they have certain taste and textures that are lost in new stock.

But......

In many tests, the modern grains, corn, beans, have equal or higher values of nutrients both macro and micro when actually tested, compared to the organic stuff?

I will disagree with you on the nutrition value. I think you are wrong on that part.

That doesn't mean you should change what you buy and eat, I don't want you to change any of that at all. I'm not arguing what you should buy!

Just disagree with one small portion is all. Or, where did you get your info on that, what study are you following?

Paul

[arabian knight]

I agree both types of foods have the same. That has been a fact. All this anti misinformation that spreads around the net by those TV folks, books writers, grants to keep the money rolling in just want to make money regardless of scientific studies that have been done.

[GeneMO]

Originally Posted by Dixie Bee Acres

With your infinite wisdom, would you please be so kind as to explain GMO grapes and watermelons? I know there are hybrids, but never heard that they were GMO, please explain.

Well, they are not natural. They got that way by breeding. They have been modified by man. Not the same as GMO, but similar in some way.

There is nothing wrong with GMO's in my opinion,, but that is only my opinion. I am sure you have an opinion.

Gene

[GeneMO]

Originally Posted by Dixie Bee Acres

With your infinite wisdom, would you please be so kind as to explain GMO grapes and watermelons? I know there are hybrids, but never heard that they were GMO, please explain.

Originally Posted by Blue_Goose

Sounds like your seed guy is pro GMO.

Not sure, but he has both for sale.

Gene

[Dixie Bee Acres]

Gmo is artificially messing with the DNA of the plant and introducing genes from other species.
Hybridization is nothing more than controlled cross pollination.

[rambler]

Anyhow, back to your point.

Marketing non gmo or organic crops is a problem.

It is so much smaller of a market, and ebbs and flows. Some years big bonus, some years almost none.

Typically it takes more travel, which takes some of the profit away.

Or it requires making 50 small sales, instead of 3-4 bigger sales. That is time and money used up.

In some areas it works well, but those are kinda dedicated areas.

Some folks are in the right area, and have the time to do the sales.

Good deal.

Paul