If you are on Hughesnet, can you...

simi-steading · #1 12/09/14, 12:39 PM

Connect to www.youtube.com right now?

Do you ever have a problem even connecting to their site?

This isn't about a slow video. This is about not even being able to get a second hop on a trace route to youtube.. but I can trace to anywhere else..

Almost like they are blocking it..

Crisste · #2 12/09/14, 12:46 PM

I wouldn't be a bit surprised. Satellite internet service is so oversold it boarders on fraudulent.

Like an commercial airline selling 1000 tickets for a plane with 250 seats. Ya, that's about right.

So in the winter, when more people stay inside on their computers, they have to throttle and block heavy data pipes.

Find a proxy server and use it to get around that stuff.

Harry Chickpea · #3 12/09/14, 12:49 PM

Use a proxy server.

simi-steading · #4 12/09/14, 01:40 PM

OK.. I figured it out.. It wasn't Hughesnet, or maybe it could be, but it was more my Belkin router... I think it's a NAT behind a NAT issue actually..

I changed the mode of my router to an access point, and am letting my Hughesnet modem be the router now, and problem solved..

For some reason. the Belkin wouldn't forward the request for youtube to the modem...

What a pain some times.. What is weird, is this just started yesterday, and I had changed nothing on my router.

FarmboyBill · #5 12/09/14, 01:57 PM

your buckin bouter? lol

Now Only problem I have with HN is that they only allow so much time a month to be on U Tubes. They call it there Fair Access Policy. I usually run out around the 3rd week, but supprisingly, This month which starts again the 10th ive made it all the way through. Im paying round $100 a month.

simi-steading · #6 12/09/14, 02:21 PM

I have the most you can get.. the 20 gig plan.. I watch my meter closely, and run it right up to the limits. I figure if I'm paying it, I'm gonna get it all... I've yet to run over.. and yeah, it's a drag when you want to watch something, but you're too close... I try and limit myself each day so that I don't end up with days I can't do anything.

So now that I've flipped my router from being a router, to being just an access point, I am noticing that sites load a little faster, and video seems to load faster...

I didn't realize that HN was running global NAT.

||Downhome|| · #7 12/09/14, 02:27 PM

DNS issue maybe?

I have problems with the my providers DNS so I have everything set to use googles DNS servers.

simi-steading · #8 12/09/14, 02:33 PM

I had my router set to use google DNS.. .I also tried setting it to use HN DNS, and OpenDns... Nothing... I'd get the first hop to the router, and dead...

It's like my router suddenly didn't like Youtube.. Even if I tried using the IP address, nothing..

FarmboyBill · #9 12/09/14, 04:24 PM

I don't have any guage to watch to see where Im at. Other than everything gets SLOW when Im at the end of their month.

simi-steading · #10 12/09/14, 04:28 PM

You can download it from their site Bill... It installs on your computer. It watches the traffic at the gateway, so it shows total usage for the house if there is more than one computer.

http://services.hughesnet.com/servic.../status_meter/

If you use their e-mail service, it also lets you know you have mail..

Harry Chickpea · #11 12/09/14, 05:42 PM

You cannot do public or Google DNS with either Hughesnet or Exede. The sat companies compress everything going to and from the sat, and part of that is that they have to control the DNS as seen by their users. There was a while when I was on Hughespuke that they couldn't get Google. I had to go through a proxy to get there. It will LOOK like you are using public DNS or Google DNS, but it really goes to the sat DNS.

simi-steading · #12 12/09/14, 05:52 PM

I had my router set for Google DNS, and I'm sure that's part of what the problem was. Although, I did change it to use HN's DNS, and it still wouldn't find Youtube.. I still think it had to be with a double NAT.. Once I got rid of the router NAT, life was good..

FarmboyBill · #13 12/09/14, 06:26 PM

Ive been out of contract with them for over a year. Im gonna dump them if I ever hear of anybody better when I move

||Downhome|| · #14 12/09/14, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by simi-steading

I had my router set for Google DNS, and I'm sure that's part of what the problem was. Although, I did change it to use HN's DNS, and it still wouldn't find Youtube.. I still think it had to be with a double NAT.. Once I got rid of the router NAT, life was good..

Did you Flush the DNS after changing to HN?

simi-steading · #15 12/09/14, 07:40 PM

Yep. sure did... nadda..

I worked in IT for quite a few years before I decided I was sick of the real world and moved to the country

rambler · #16 12/09/14, 11:26 PM

I know enough about IT to be very dangerous..... I used to be a computer nerd, but as the Internet started out I became more of a user. Just point and click or tap now....

So, either of you care to do a simple explanation of what what you are talking about? I believe the Internet uses the groups of numbers separated by periods to look up other places on the Internet; and we humans type in web site names like Homesteadingtoday.com; and somewhere there has to be a big chart for the computer to turn one into the other so we humans understand our side of the screen, and the computers understand their side of the screen? And they get lost when that chart is missing info?

And you are talking about finding different charts out there so as to find things that the local chart can't find?

Paul

simi-steading · #17 12/10/14, 07:59 AM

DNS is Domain Name System... Like you said, it is what turns the name of a domain into IP numbers behind the scene so your browser can find a web site... Those reside in a table on servers, called DNS servers... Kinda like giant phone books...

NAT is Network Address Translation... It is a lot more complicated than DNS... It basically allows you to move date between networks... say like from your network onto the web. It deals with packet headers and how data is moved between networks, and how it all ends up in the right place..

Hugehs has giant Global NAT servers, which allows a whole bunch pf customers to be behind this NAT firewall, and makes all these customers look like one computer to the rest of the world.. When Hughes get a packet from a web site aimed at their single IP, the Global NAT server then looks at the header of that data, which includes request info, and then moves it inside the Hughes network, and pushes it to the correct computer or customer that was requesting that data.. That is the very simple explanation. What is really happening is fairly complicated.

So then, if I start using my own NAT behind another NAT, strange things can happen, and the header data of packets can get confusing to the NAT's, and you may not get your data.... basically... which seems to be the problem I was having..