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Old 10/11/14, 09:43 PM
 
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here's something that doesn't fit anywhere - syrupmaking

...but not just maple syrup.

i just ran across this:

here's something that doesn't fit anywhere - syrupmaking - Homesteading Questions
http://cookingwildandfree.blogspot.c...et-syrups.html

it seems several types of trees have sugar in their springtime sap flows.

i live in north florida and there aren't a lot of maple trees here, and the ones we have aren't very big and as far as i know, don't have much sugar content.

i've always thought it would be a good idea to have a source of sweets on the homestead. i even put in a row of sugar cane against one fence, but never got very far with the project because even old broken down cane crushing mills are out of my price range. then, my son told me about the article linked above.

other trees besides maples have sap with fairly high sugar contents! imagine that! sweet gums, sycamores, walnuts and hickories.

i have about a dozen good sized pecan trees on the place though only two of them give good nuts. pecans are like that - good ones that yield worthwhile nuts are the exception, not the rule. two trees worth has always been plenty for me. i've even used some of the less desirable ones for firewood. good firewood - really good for barbecue....
but pecans are a type of hickory, and the article says hickories have sugar in their springtime sap flow. i did a little checking, and yes, pecan syrup was a traditional farm product, though not very common any more.

a little more checking, and i found there are special taps called "spiles" for tapping trees. i looked very closely at one of them on the web, and i'm pretty sure i can make them from some left-over half inch stainless tubing i saved from a job i was working on years ago. cut about a four inch piece, a little slit in one end (side grinder and cutting wheel from harbor freight), crimp it a bit, and i think i'll have as many spiles as i can possibly use.

while i was surfing the spile designs, i was thinking about collection buckets too. in one of the pictures of spiles, someone had hung a plastic gallon milk jug under it. a scrounger after my own heart!

now i'm gonna need a pretty big kettle to boil the sap down into syrup. looking around at the junk i've picked up over a long career as a packrat, i found a 15.5 gallon stainless beer keg. with a little surgery involving my side grinder, i'm pretty sure i can transform it into a dandy kettle. a few bricks carefully placed under it, and i'll have a custom rocket stove heater. no lack of firewood around here.

that's got the hardware part of it pretty well covered. the next part of it involves a little trial and error. i found some references to when the sap begins to flow in maples up north, but that doesn't tell me much about when it happens with pecans here in zone 8b. i'll just have to do some experimental tapping and some waiting.

i have no idea how well this will turn out. it may be a lot of work to produce a little syrup, and be a lesson learned. ...or, it may be a viable home source of sweets. ...or it may be the beginning of a new product - treefrog brand boneless pecan syrup - all natural - from happy pecan trees! available at your local specialty shops - at gourmet prices!
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Old 10/12/14, 06:28 AM
 
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Just a FYI, if you're ever lost, can't find water, but can find a sycamore, you can get sap out of it at any time of the year. I never thought about making syrup out of them though.
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Old 10/12/14, 09:34 AM
 
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sycamore syrup

i read that while sycamores have enough sugar in their sap to make syrup, it isn't the best. one source compared it to blackstrap molasses.
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Old 10/15/14, 03:06 PM
 
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We use birch trees here
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Old 10/15/14, 04:49 PM
 
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You are over thinking this. It is quite simple. We ised only the things that you put a gutter nail in to keep it from bending the gutter in. Take a file and cut a notch for you bucket or jug to hang on and you're done. 'Don't need the fancy!Drill 1 1/2- 2 " dep (under a main branch on the south or southeast side of the tree. Drive the spicket in and hang your bucket. It's 3 minutes and you're collecting sap. Spring is when sap runs up. Fall it runs down.It's easy,it's fun! Enjoy!

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Old 12/04/14, 03:26 PM
 
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Doesn't Max have a thread on this somewhere?
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Old 12/04/14, 03:31 PM
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We tap birch in the spring, though to make wine rather than to boil down for syrup. Dril a 1/2 inch hole push in a short bit of plastic tubing and put a bucket on the floor come back in 12-24hrs depending on how fast the sap is running, pull out pipe fill hole with clay. done. We have a large sycamore on our new property, if it survives to spring I will try tapping it, but I rather hope it'll be felled before then (it's touching the barn wall I hate to think what it's roots are doing!)
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Old 12/04/14, 03:31 PM
 
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Doesn't Max have a thread on this somewhere?
Yes, he is everywhere. I opened my refrigerator and he handed me my maple syrup just as the light came on.
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Old 12/04/14, 03:51 PM
 
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i read that while sycamores have enough sugar in their sap to make syrup, it isn't the best. one source compared it to blackstrap molasses.
I've not made sycamore syrup but if it is like blackstrap in flavor,color or viscosity it has probably been cooked too long and too hot.To cook down syrup you must go by the boiling point for the sugar content of the sap you are cooking down. (water=212 , maple sap=217 or 219. Can't quite remember now). Cook it longer or hotter you're making blackstrap.


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Old 12/04/14, 04:47 PM
 
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Best time to collect SAP in the spring is when night temps dip below freezing and daytime temps get up to about 40*
I have never heard of anyone tapping a hickory. I have heard of hickory syrup, but it is made by boiling water, sugar, and hickory bark.

I don't know how to go about doing it down south if it doesn't get cold enough.
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Old 12/05/14, 07:48 AM
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Watch the buds on the tree, you want to be tapping just as they start to loosen, but before they open if they're opening you left it too late, better luck next year! (for people who do not get frosts)
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Old 12/12/14, 05:23 AM
 
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1/2" stainless would leave quite a wound in the tree. You can get plastic spiles for about 12-15 cents each, probably cheaper than the HF grinder wheels wearing out. They only need a 5/16 hole which the tree can heal over pretty quickly.
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Old 01/31/15, 10:35 PM
 
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After reading this thread I thought I would get a few spiles and try tapping my black walnut trees. For a trial I tapped 3 trees so far. When I drilled the holes, before I could even get the spiles in the tree there were already beads of sap dripping out. So because I was extremely patient I waited almost 24 hours to go out for the 1st round of collecting sap, then managed to wait about 30 minutes after getting into the house to start cooking it down for syrup. By the time I was done, I turned about 3 quarts of black walnut sap into a little over a cup of delicious syrup. Maybe the next batch I will wait to have a few days worth of sap.
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Old 01/31/15, 11:16 PM
 
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The easiest cheapest syrup I know of (other than sucking it straight out of the sugar cane or the honeysuckle flower) is malt syrup. Malted barley is best, but other cereal grains can be malted as well.
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Old 02/01/15, 08:30 AM
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If you are in Florida, why not a small cane patch?
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Old 02/01/15, 12:36 PM
 
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Pecan trees make great syrup. It's sweet and nutty. It take a little more sap than a maple, but you have more than enough trees.

Go to www.tapmytrees.com you can buy spiles, and they have step by step instructions. Assuming you have buckets around to catch sap, you could be sugaring for $20.
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