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Old 09/07/14, 09:05 PM
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Down and Dirty Bartering

I have been wondering lately about how to go about bartering. Not only just bartering, but bartering as the, "New Guy." I'm starting to wonder if walking up to strangers (neighbors) and asking to do work on their land in exchange for supplies is the best way to go about it. A lot of these folks don't trust anyone but family and certainly not anyone that is new. I know a lot of them but the last time I did work for them was years ago. Probably not ganna remember me.

So how do I do get what I want? How do I approach them with the bartering question and when? I am a hard working, trustable guy. I just need to know how to go about this situation. Hope to get some good advice! Thanks y'all.
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Old 09/07/14, 09:18 PM
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I can't speak times past, but nowadays relationships precede bartering. As a hard working trustable guy, that reputation will begin to precede you, and the bartering opportunities will just present themselves.
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Old 09/07/14, 09:28 PM
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I hope to form good relationships with my neighbors. The people out here are great folk. Plus everyone goes to the same church since its the only church within 20 miles. The people I'm buying the land from live a mile away and are great friends of mine. He just happens to be the chief of police and really looked up to. Great people.
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Old 09/07/14, 09:32 PM
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Go talk with people you know don't push just visit. Put note in Store and Feed Mill that you are looking for work.

Not sure about there but here if you have a Pickup in couple weeks you can make good money picking Black Walnuts, I always picked for half.

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Old 09/07/14, 10:00 PM
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That's a good idea. There are a lot of walnut around. Come to think of it, the land I'm getting may very well have walnut as well. Thanks for the idea.
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.............I'd limit the amount of bartering I was willing to do ! When you accept items for your labor you have potentially reduced the value of your labor to the actual value of the items . Say you price your labor for farm work at $20 per hour and you work for 8 hours doing whatever , and you receive several chicks and other items , collectively worth far less than $160.........not good .
.............There are people who will use your bartering against you for their own economic gain..............human nature . Helping people in need every so often is one thing , too much 'Bartering' over time and you'll soon find out people will be unwilling to pay you $20 per hour for your work , regardless of it's real worth . , fordy
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If a person was interested in bartering it might be a big help to learn the rules. The main reason that one might want to barter would be for personal gain. Gain as you know has value and value is measured in money. So all gains have a value that can be measured in money, even if no money changes hands.

The rules are pretty simple, when you make a profit the government wants some of it.

Go to the IRS web site and search "Barter". This will lead you to all the rules, and yes they even have forms to fill out (to help you out). If you do not have any idea how to figure out the value (in Dollars) of your barter profit. not to worry; they have charts to help you with this. They are , as you know; here to help.
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If a person was interested in bartering it might be a big help to learn the rules. The main reason that one might want to barter would be for personal gain. Gain as you know has value and value is measured in money. So all gains have a value that can be measured in money, even if no money changes hands.

The rules are pretty simple, when you make a profit the government wants some of it.

Go to the IRS web site and search "Barter". This will lead you to all the rules, and yes they even have forms to fill out (to help you out). If you do not have any idea how to figure out the value (in Dollars) of your barter profit. not to worry; they have charts to help you with this. They are , as you know; here to help.
The problem with that line of logic is tax is in fiat dollars,untill I have exchanged real good acquired in barter, there is no profit.

If any to start.

If the Barter is equitable then its a wash, and if I sell the said private property, then no taxes should be due unless I have something like capital gains...

They recently started a photo, thumb print,official papers, sign your life away as well as have to do all the same when cashing the check at the bank....
For scrap metal, the scrap yard owner agreed its about taxes not theft.

Most things in the yard would be hard to trace as stolen, more then like you could establish a circumstantial case... but nothing rock solid unless it was utility or rail road related.

I'm not in the scrap bushiness, but I do acquire property others have disposed of, I also generate a bit of unusable but valuable property in the coarse of life. I should just give this away to the people I am forced to pay to dispose of that which I deem of no value.

I can sell other personnel property and not incur the collectors.

SMH...

Want to barter just strike up a convo, during the coarse layout your cash poor but willing to barter, someones interested they'll ask what do you need. then you haggle the deal.
Sometimes folks will just say here, which case don't forget the kindness.
Keep in touch, they mention something , you can manage, do it.

It won't be forgot.

Be careful who you take favors from... A favor or kindness should never be self serving.

Though you will in a way be indebted, some will take advantage.
or feel entitled for there good will, entitlement is not limited to hand outs.

any barter should be close to even steven.

if you have regular trade partners, sometimes they get the better end, sometimes you. should balance out.

If your in bed with someone and they get the better every time I would avoid it. diplomatically of coarse.

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Old 09/08/14, 08:47 PM
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Just make sure they know it must be mutually beneficial for it to work and you both will gain when the trust forms.
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Old 09/09/14, 01:44 AM
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It has been brought up, but here is what DH has done. He hit the pavement, i.e. hiking around our area. When he saw any one outside, he would greet & then introduce himself, and chat a few. This way, he met the neighbors naturally, and all exchanged info. One of the neighbors came by to see what DH was up to. They got to talking and the neighbor offered all the lumber needed for the concrete forms in exchange for some welding. Since DH is a WABO Welder, he does professional high end work (everything from structural welding & heavy equipment to custom railings/gates/stairways). This neighbor will be very happy when DH does the welding for him. The neighbor also wanted to get some logs to cut into lumber with his sawmill. We will be sending some over and get some of the lumber back in exchange. Since we will need the Cedar for our future closets, I will be proposing some for that.

There will always be opportunities to let folks know you enjoy bartering. That will peak an interest. Instead of hours, I'd barter "jobs" for stuff. Or stuff for stuff. Do you make or build anything? DH and I will be building log furniture. If you enjoy doing that, for example, you could make the furniture and barter it.
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Old 09/10/14, 08:34 PM
 
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If a person was interested in bartering it might be a big help to learn the rules. The main reason that one might want to barter would be for personal gain. Gain as you know has value and value is measured in money. So all gains have a value that can be measured in money, even if no money changes hands.

The rules are pretty simple, when you make a profit the government wants some of it.

Go to the IRS web site and search "Barter". This will lead you to all the rules, and yes they even have forms to fill out (to help you out). If you do not have any idea how to figure out the value (in Dollars) of your barter profit. not to worry; they have charts to help you with this. They are , as you know; here to help.
0.o you have GOT to be kidding me!!
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If a person was interested in bartering it might be a big help to learn the rules. The main reason that one might want to barter would be for personal gain. Gain as you know has value and value is measured in money. So all gains have a value that can be measured in money, even if no money changes hands.

The rules are pretty simple, when you make a profit the government wants some of it.

Go to the IRS web site and search "Barter". This will lead you to all the rules, and yes they even have forms to fill out (to help you out). If you do not have any idea how to figure out the value (in Dollars) of your barter profit. not to worry; they have charts to help you with this. They are , as you know; here to help.
Must be a tongue in cheek post or you have a very different experience than me.
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