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Old 04/14/14, 11:03 PM
 
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Exterior HD antenna?

I have finally successfully weened myself from cable tv, after being addicted lifelong. Now with the internet, netflix, google chromecast and the ability to watch my favorite baseball team without cable I am a ready to go all in, err all out.

I currently have three different interior antennas hooked up to 3 tvs, they all were the cheapest ones available at the time I bought them. Now that the weather is nice I plan to put one on my roof and split it to all my tvs. Wondering if you all have any recommendations? I basically live in St. Louis and know where to point the antenna, so I don't need anything for valleys or on the backside of a mountain. I currently get about 16 channels, depending on how windy it is, which makes my brain hurt, but that it a separate thread. Just looking for something with a consistent, stronger signal than the $7 one I got in the l/v room.

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Old 04/14/14, 11:15 PM
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I tried everything to get a good signal... everything!

I bought a couple of cable amplifiers, and have one hooked close to the Antenna (the old arial) and another by the TV.

We can now get all the stations we should get!

Which was never an issue prior to the switch...
I got them off ebay cheap.

Before that though I was always having to jostle the antenna in side around when the wind blew or it rained and forget the Ariel, it was nothing more then a pile of metal!

this is it...
http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-Signa...ges/B003T2RY7I
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Old 04/15/14, 06:32 AM
 
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If you go here & put in some info, you can see what is available at your address. Then, you can post it on their forum for free online help & antenna suggestions.

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29
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Old 04/15/14, 09:04 AM
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I got a cheap $45 antenna off Ebay.
It's a lot of plastic and not very big, and there's no way it would last outside in this part of the country where we have 70 mph winds and hail.
I mounted it in an upstairs store room, and it works great.
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Old 04/15/14, 09:24 AM
 
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The trouble is, you need to match the antenna and the amp and the booster to your location, the channels you can get, and the length of the cable you are running and the number of TVs you have.

We are -way- short on info to really help you at all.

Basically the bigger, higher, and unobstructed your antenna is, the more you will pull in. That is #1 most important overall.

Its easy to pull from 30 miles, not too hard to pull from 60 miles, and takes a lot of thought and top stuff to pull from 80 miles.

Some antennas pull from all directions and are great, but they won't make the 60 mile stations....

The aimed antennas might reach more than 100 miles, but you will have difficulty picking up a station 20 miles off to the side because the aim in one direction only.

The channels from 6-13 still use the bigger elements of an antenna - VHF. The other numbers on the dial mostly all use the short elements (or grids) UHF. So do you have any VHF channels?

So what antenna is best? Depends on what you need.

Spend money on good cable, well shielded. Makes a difference. The electrical signal in that cable is very weak, it needs to be shielded from stray current from your house wiring, from strong TV and radio signals, etc.

From the antenna to wherever your first split of the cable is, it really helps to have a booster. This is a powered plug in deal at the bottom of the cable, and a little box plugs into the cable up by the top of the antenna. $29?

If you are splitting to 3 TVs, it will really help to have a powered splitter - this takes the signal from the antenna, and boosts that signal as it pushes it to each cable run. Another $29?

There is no 'best' booster or amplifier; it depends on how much boost you need, and how many runs of cable you are doing, and how long the cable runs are.

Kinda sort of you need to customize the pieces to fit your needs.

But in general the bigger the antenna the better.

And buying good shielded cable is a must.

And in general if your cable from the antenna is longer than 25 feet the powered antenna booster is a good thing. (This device adds strength to the signal coming down from your antenna.)

And in general if you split the signal more than into 2 TVs a powered splitter is a good thing. (This device adds strength to the signal splitting out to multiple TVs.)

If you are getting 16 channels with the cheapest crap you could find, then something in the middle will likely be an upgrade and hard to go wrong, you must be fairly close and an antenna that picks up signals from all directions would likely work best for you.

Denny's would like to sell you stuff, but his web site is a wealth of info and worth looking through if you want to figure stuff out better than just guessing:

http://www.dennysantennaservice.com/

Lot easier for you to look things up here than for us to guess what you need.

I really studied this stuff when the big switch over was made, you don't have to throw tons of money at the expensive stuff and there is no 'HD antenna' they are still using exactly the same signals so the old and new antennas are the same. The more you learn what you have around you, the more you can spend your money on what will help you out the best.

Don't go into a local store and ask their advice, they all have cable at home, they have no clue, and they will push whatever the higher priced stuff is on their shelf, and will tell you you need new special labeled antenna. Trust me, I went through that, I was educating the Radio Shak guys they had no clue, the Walmart folks didnt even pretend to know they just shrugged their shoulders.....

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Old 04/15/14, 11:00 AM
 
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There is no such thing as a special antenna for digital HD TV signals. Antennas are made to receive a range of frequencies. They don't care if you are broadcasting the signal as analog or digital. The digital broadcast uses the same frequencies as the old analog broadcast so the antenna didn't change when they switched to digital broadcast.

You live right in St. Louis so you should have nice close transmitters and get a strong signal. You need a strong signal to split it to 3 TVs. I suggest you put a medium size antenna on the roof like this one.

http://www.fleetfarm.com/search/?q=+...&currentPage=1

You could put it in the attic but the roof will attenuate the signal.

Run RG6 quad shield cable like this.

http://www.fleetfarm.com/detail/rca-.../0000000033672

It will prevent loss of signal and prevent the introduction of spurious signals.

You can buy it in various lengths with the connectors already on the ends or you can buy it in bulk, make exactly the correct length cables, and crimp your own ends on.

http://www.fleetfarm.com/detail/rca-.../0000000033774

http://www.fleetfarm.com/detail/rca-.../0000000033703

Here is a video that shows how to terminate the cable. He is wrong about the wire that makes the shielding. You have to be sure to trim it all off so there there are no loose ends. Any stragglers sticking out will degrade your signal.


Put in an amplified splitter like this one.

http://www.fleetfarm.com/detail/rca-.../0000000033767

Cap off any unused terminals. TV signal will leak out the open terminals and could mess up your picture. You may have to hit Radio Shack for the caps.
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Old 04/15/14, 11:18 AM
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agree no special antenna for HD or a Digital signal.
I am using a 15 year old all channel antenna I bought from Radio shack.
The best thing for the new digital signal today is a Rotator so you can get a direct signal and a in line power booster in the coax line.
Also the best cable line in wire should now be 3GHz, aka braid swept to 3,000.
I had 2300 for my lead in wire for Directv, and I was not getting all my HD channels.
Went to Radio Shack they didn't even know what I was talking about, nor did they have the 3GHz in their catalog~!
I ordered the coax online and got all the HD channels I paid for.
So even on my outside antenna I use the 3GHz coax.~!
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Old 04/15/14, 12:16 PM
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Great advice so far. If I could add my 2C I would say in this case it's better to buy from a brick & mortar store and save your receipt. Test one out and if it doesn't work you can return it and try another. For us, it was trial and error at Radioshack.
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Old 04/15/14, 12:29 PM
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Ted,

I'm in south STL. The TV I watch most the time gets an even 30 chanels on rabbit ears from an old TV that I just plugged in and lay behind the TV I watch most. The TV in the livingroom gets the same number of channels, and it is hooked to one of those square, flat things from Radio Shack...looks like http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...tent=CT2032189
I just have it sitting beside the TV but I COULD hang it on the wall.

All works for me!

Mon
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Old 04/15/14, 12:37 PM
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Where that video above is a good one and it is a pretty good connector.
This type of connector is better and is the only ones I use from now on with HD.
These are the same ones satellite and cable companies use, why do they use such connectors because they are the best to get a better picture with the new HD digital TV signals.
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Old 04/15/14, 04:05 PM
 
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wow, now that is some good information. Thank you very much. This forum is a genuine problem solver, from chickens to hd antennas.
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Old 04/15/14, 06:17 PM
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After they outlawed high-power TV broadcast, everyone in our town lost signal.

We did the tower, with Radio Shacks most expensive aerial, the motorized rotor, the converter box, and the signal amplifier.

We were than able to get one channel sometimes. It comes and goes.


I posted on here, and I got lots of people telling two things:
1) Shifting to low-power digital does not mean that it is low-power.
2) All you need to do is properly aim the aerial.

Our town went from 2 TV channels most of the time, and a third channel a couple days every month.

To now one channel a couple days a month, if you don't mind having a tower
a $200 aerial, a rotor, the converter box, and signal amplifier.



Granted a person could move somewhere urban where they have cable, but we are fine with youtube.

Start a video, then pause it, and as it buffers do something else.
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Old 04/15/14, 08:25 PM
 
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I was educating the Radio Shack guys they had no clue, the Walmart folks didnt even pretend to know they just shrugged their shoulders.....

Paul
Haha, every time i go to Home Depot, same thing. I am a painter/ plaster repairer and do it yourself electric, plumbing. I used to go in there asking for advice not anymore. I then switched to googling stuff but I eventually found this place. If i got a problem, someone on here is as equally crazy as me already did the research because they needed to know every detail about it and the alternatives before even starting a plan.

that is why I come here, a great resource.

thanks for everyone's help again.

btw all of the satellites for the channels I can get are all southwest of me. All in one general vicinity.
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Old 04/16/14, 07:05 AM
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This digital TV fiasco is a rip-off. Tell me the cable companies didn't have a hand in it. Our reception here is hit-or-miss, despite the fact that I can SEE the transmitter tower less than 10 miles away! I'd rather have a weak picture than nothing at all.

Most of our local channels are UHF, and I have a two-bay UHF antenna above the house that works most of the time, although windy weather messes it up. I used to get ABC, even though it is behind a mountain, but haven't been able to get it in over a year. Summer is worse with the leaves on the trees.

On a semi-related note for you OTA TV folks: Did you know that you can use your computer as a DVR? Pick up a TV tuner that plugs into your computer, and you can record TV! My Windows Media Center has a TV guide and everything. Just click on the show you want and hit 'Record'. I use a splitter so we can watch one show on TV while recording another. It's a good time shifter as well, since we are early to bed types. We can't do Hulu or Netflix since our internet is over an air card with very limited data allowance.
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Old 04/16/14, 07:29 AM
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Well sure they did as the Cable and Communication companies sure wanted this to happen, as now those frequencies that are not being used anymore can be sold to Cell Companies for better cell coverage, I am sure you now have heard advertising for 4G cell use.

Well that is the channels or frequencies that were once used by analog tv. Dish bought all of the 1,900MHz licenses in a frequency auction that wrapped up last week, using a shell company to hide its name. The satellite provider paid just short of $1.6 billion for the airwaves -- chump change next to the spending on 700MHz blocks. Now you know the resin why as 95% of the country already were getting TV from Other sources other then the antiquated analog signal via outside antenna system.
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I ran a copper wire across a tree limb for my wife to watch the Olympics. Since then, I've perfected it with 2 short pieces of that same wire, screwed to an old directv satellite dish.
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