Propane prices on the news!!

[ceresone]

Springfield mo news station KY3 said last night that some residents of Houston, Mo. paid $5.50 per gallon for propane??? Houston people, reply??

[Chixarecute]

Northern Wisconsin - close to $6/gallon IF you can get any. If you have a contract, suppliers are delivering enough to keep you going until next week. Transportation is driving up the cost, too.

Our county has declared an emergency, will make arrangements for shelter. It is going to be very hard for the moderate income families with propane heat to purchase fuel...home heat, or groceries or mortage or gas to get to my job...

According to our illustrious governor, the long wet fall created high propane demand for drying corn. Really? But we KNOW winter was coming. He doesn't express any concern for the people north of his address.

[MO_cows]

Northwest Missouri - Amerigas - charging over $5/gallon and they are still enforcing the 200 gallon minimum for delivery. A mom and pop small local propane company is almost out of gas, they will only sell 50 gallons per customer and price is around $4. Anybody who needs propane right now has a problem. We are running electric heaters to s t r e t c h ours until the supply isn't so tight.

[nebula5]

Southern Tier NY State- got a delivery this week- $3.55/gal. We are a small user, for water heater only- so they charge us more per gal than those who heat with propane. This is about as high as it got last winter--- glad I got it this week.

[MissKitty]

Knew I had an urge to get our wood cook stove hooked up for more than one reason...Once this cold weather is over will propane go back down in price????

[farmgal]

My friend said he's low and they told him $5 today and only partial tank. The supplier in this video said the shortage will last for more than a year. my dairy/beef farmers bring their corn in for drying and said prices are getting very high for drying. I see possible price spikes happening in meat, dairy and grain products, if this is the case. and you know how they play the game once they raise prices they never go back down.

http://www.wdio.com/article/stories/s3287629.shtml

In another video a womans being interviewed by a reporter and she was complaining, she had to turn her heat down to 68. Like DOWN to 68? good grief, spoiled people. Turn it down to 55 lady and layer up your cloths. 55 is not that cold. she looks like she doesnt step out of the house for anything. If I feel cold, I go out, give my horse a hug, toss the chickens some scraps. when I come back in, then, its a heat wave in here...lol

Ha, I had a wood stove for sale for a month and wammo, it sold today...lol

[Ladyhen]

We got 100 gallons today (max they are allowing currently) and it was $3.65. When I got propane about 3 weeks ago, it was $2.49. Delivery guy today said it was going to be up over $4 soon.

[MissKitty]

We have a propane cook stove...we heat mainly with wood...we have a heat pump but prefer wood heat and lower electric bill..

[countryfied2011]

We went and bought DH a new wood stove for his man cave last Thursday, his old one was starting to rust out a little and smoke at times. I told him it was a good investment to buy a new one because if the price of propane keeps going up we might have to put the new wood stove in the house..so we are saving the old one to put back in his man cave..lol He is going to have a friend do some welding work on the old one and then store in the shed..

[plowjockey]

Originally Posted by Chixarecute

According to our illustrious governor, the long wet fall created high propane demand for drying corn. Really? But we KNOW winter was coming. He doesn't express any concern for the people north of his address.

Didn't Green Bay, have a record low temp of -18 degrees? The entire nation has been freezing.

There is not really any large storage infrastructure, for squirreling away propane, maybe Texas. It is usually shipped in bulk - a long distance and delivered to the end user, as needed.

there is a lot of need this winter.

They have been suspending truck trailer permit state restrictions and driver hours-of-service regulations, for emergency bulk propane delivery, in some parts of the nation.

[farmgal]

people do need to start tightening the heating belts, anyway. we are living in a bubble about to burst. there is no way we can continue consuming this much fuel at this rate. the prices are going to soar, just as predicted, as our dollar is printed like monoploy money and becomes worth less and less. Fuel becomes more scarce, its inevitable.

We have contracts with countries who are buying our propane, Im sure they have to be upheld first. Get ready, buy forests, have a free heat source if possible. they make solar hot water heat systems etc.

I know the truth hurts... Just think, we have to pay to heat all the government buildings. the taxes will get so high, aint no one but the rich going to own anything. Its Britain all over again...lol

Ok rant over...lol

[chronic66]

We got a letter yesterday from our propane provider. We have a contract with about 250 gallons left on it. I am guessing it cost us 1.40 a gallon. The letter stated that if we exceeded our contract the price would be 4.00 a gallon and maybe more, maybe much more. I usually contract for 1,000 gallons a year. Not lookin' good.

[Wendy]

Not propane, but I got 125 gallons of fuel oil for our furnace & it was $480!!! Sure wish this cold snap would break.

[Callieslamb]

I'm not sure solar water heaters work when it's -13 degrees out. I'm glad we don't have to depend on one. All the wind and howling has helped me appreciate even more our warm house. I remember stories from long ago of people having to listen to a blizzard and how it went on for days. We've had the blizzard, just enough insulation that we don't hear all the howling.

[light rain]

Some WI state propane news has appeared on internet news channel3000 today. Our gov. has declared a state of emergency. Some information in the article didn't seem accurate to me. But at least a little more coverage...

There is a pipeline for LP that comes from Canada that provides MN with over 30% of its LP that is going to be switched from LP to a type of oil next spring. Instead of bringing LP to the US it is going to flow (Star Tribune) up to Canada to provide them a crude energy product. I gathered from the article this was all approved by US higher ups.

I would like to hear from the corn farmers on this site across the states. Did your LP usage go up this fall 2x or more?

Also there was another pipeline closed for maintenance in December. Was this something that could have been done after heating season or did it HAVE to be done at that time?

I have never really looked at how propane is made, where it comes from and who it comes from before the last 2 weeks. If I am incorrect on anything I post here PLEASE correct anything that is not accurate. I am just trying to understand what is happening to a major factor in our lives and the lives of family and friends and our neighbors in rural America.

[rambler]

Corn farmer in southern mn. Locally we used far less heating than average. Pocket SE of me used more. Over all I would say across the nation we used close to average crop drying this year, several pockets of wetter crops, but the big producing areas were generally drier crop.

The only thing I heard was, instead of crop drying starting in the south and finishing in the north, the south delayed harvest and so everyone was drying crops at the exact same time, so the demand was in the same 2 weeks, not spread out.

In addition to propane, natural gas has gone up 10% in price last week, and there was a major ng pipeline tht exploded yesterday, disrupting ng flow south of Winepeg down into Minnesota. Even if they get it repaired quickly, we are in a cold snap, minus 20 below coming up the next 2 days, everything is maxed out here in my state for needing heat.

The propane thing is a long term problem, with the pipeline reversed in Minnesota we lose 40% of our propane supply as mentioned; we will need to send semis and trains down south to your pipelines and haul it up here. Propane is a major heat source in our cold climate, you folks might not appreciate how much we suck off your supplies now. It will make shortages and high prices. For all.

We need another pipeline, is what we need.

I believe most propane comes from making gasoline and ng. It is an extra in the raw forms of these, gets sorted out.

This is a long term problem, tho the cold weather of this year is making it worse than it normally would be.

Paul

[arabian knight]

Originally Posted by light rain

Some WI state propane news has appeared on internet news channel3000 today. Our gov. has declared a state of emergency. Some information in the article didn't seem accurate to me. But at least a little more coverage...

There is a pipeline for LP that comes from Canada that provides MN with over 30% of its LP that is going to be switched from LP to a type of oil next spring. Instead of bringing LP to the US it is going to flow (Star Tribune) up to Canada to provide them a crude energy product. I gathered from the article this was all approved by US higher ups.

I would like to hear from the corn farmers on this site across the states. Did your LP usage go up this fall 2x or more?

Also there was another pipeline closed for maintenance in December. Was this something that could have been done after heating season or did it HAVE to be done at that time?

I have never really looked at how propane is made, where it comes from and who it comes from before the last 2 weeks. If I am incorrect on anything I post here PLEASE correct anything that is not accurate. I am just trying to understand what is happening to a major factor in our lives and the lives of family and friends and our neighbors in rural America.

Xcel energy is asking customers to conserve their natural gas due to a Canadian pipeline rupture that happened early Saturday.
Wow just in time for this.

Glad I have propane and just got a fill 3 days ago. Nice and warm in here at 77. LOL

[light rain]

My heart goes out to the people of Canada and throughout America that are suffering from the cold. In fact to anyone that is cold and fearful of what the next months entail. Hopefully things will improve. Lord give us wisdom and compassion.

[MichaelZ]

Originally Posted by Chixarecute

Northern Wisconsin - close to $6/gallon IF you can get any. If you have a contract, suppliers are delivering enough to keep you going until next week. Transportation is driving up the cost, too.

Our county has declared an emergency, will make arrangements for shelter. It is going to be very hard for the moderate income families with propane heat to purchase fuel...home heat, or groceries or mortage or gas to get to my job...

According to our illustrious governor, the long wet fall created high propane demand for drying corn. Really? But we KNOW winter was coming. He doesn't express any concern for the people north of his address.

Crappy news just got crappier. Hope there can be some relief soon. Our 250 gal tank was at 15% two days ago but we only use for hot water. Have given instructions for 5 min showers only. My next task will be to print out some signs for all locations of the house to remind all family members. Thankfully we at least have a wood stove to help on the heat, and an oil furnace with enough fuel til summer. All this high energy cost is killing us financially - just had to cash in a retirement fund to catch up.

[plowjockey]

Originally Posted by light rain

Some WI state propane news has appeared on internet news channel3000 today. Our gov. has declared a state of emergency. Some information in the article didn't seem accurate to me. But at least a little more coverage...

There is a pipeline for LP that comes from Canada that provides MN with over 30% of its LP that is going to be switched from LP to a type of oil next spring. Instead of bringing LP to the US it is going to flow (Star Tribune) up to Canada to provide them a crude energy product. I gathered from the article this was all approved by US higher ups.

I would like to hear from the corn farmers on this site across the states. Did your LP usage go up this fall 2x or more?

Also there was another pipeline closed for maintenance in December. Was this something that could have been done after heating season or did it HAVE to be done at that time?

I have never really looked at how propane is made, where it comes from and who it comes from before the last 2 weeks. If I am incorrect on anything I post here PLEASE correct anything that is not accurate. I am just trying to understand what is happening to a major factor in our lives and the lives of family and friends and our neighbors in rural America.

Propane is a "by product" of petroleum refining, or now come directly from fracking wells.

The problem is long term storage. There are huge gravity storage tanks - everywhere, that can store millions of gallons or diesel or gasoline, but since propane must be stored under pressure, large storage tanks, generally don't exist.

Generally propane is shipped by semi truck or rail tanker cars and then temporary storage in a relatively small "bulk tanks" and then delivered by small truck, to home or business.

This system has worked fine for many years - until now, when the whole country is immersed in an unusual "deep freeze". Two years ago was a very mild winter (at around here) Propane was pretty cheap.

Not this year.