ALL Out Attack on Farm Animals and Pets

[haypoint]

This may relate to the Cattle thread "All out attack on raw milk"

Analysis: Stopping disease swaps between humans and animals
By Dana MacLean
IRINnews.org
December 13, 2013


HONG KONG (IRIN) - With more than half of all human infections originating in animals, experts say a multi-sectoral, global response to zoonoses - diseases passing between animals and humans - is urgently needed. IRIN talked to a panel of experts to learn just how deadly humans and animals can be to one another, and ultimately how each can save the other.

"By neglecting the health of animals and ecosystems, we fail to recognize that human health is inextricably linked with animal and ecosystem health," said Laura H. Kahn, a physician and researcher at Princeton University in the US. Khan co-founded the One Health Initiative, which links human health to how well animals and the ecosystem fare.

With almost half of the some 1,000 pathogen species found in livestock and animals kept as pets able to cross over into humans, poor animal health undoubtedly increases the risk of poor human health, experts warn.

Known zoonoses cause an estimated 2.3 billion cases of sickness and 1.7 million human deaths annually, reported the Nairobi-headquartered International Livestock Research Institute (ILRI) in 2012.

But then there are the unknown viruses, which are estimated to number at least 320,000, according to calculations by Simon Anthony and co-researchers published in 2013.

Scientists say preventing and containing zoonoses requires improved human and animal health surveillance systems, food safety and biodiversity conservation and - equally difficult, if not more so - collaboration among biologists, veterinarians and doctors for people.

(where story first came from http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.as...=#.UrH1IeIlj5E)

{Link to the 130 page .pdf document http://www.fao.org/docrep/019/i3440e/i3440e.pdf }

[Maura]

It doesn't read like an attack. It reads like, 'keep your animals healthy'.

[MO_cows]

It reads like setting the stage for a whole new wave of rules, regulations, intrusions and interference with people and their animals. We're going to take control of this for the good of the human race type of thing. Be afraid, be very afraid.

[fishhead]

Or we could just keep doing what we are doing until a disease outbreak kills millions of humans.

At our current density a disease could travel through the human population faster than a rumor and with our failure to invest in the vaccine making process we wouldn't be able to stop the spread.

Science needs to be the deciding factor not fear.

[copperkid3]

We had the BLACK DEATH during the middle ages thin the herd

and the human race came back quite nicely . . .

Thought you guys were all for that . . . or is it about control as well?

[MO_cows]

Originally Posted by fishhead

Or we could just keep doing what we are doing until a disease outbreak kills millions of humans.

At our current density a disease could travel through the human population faster than a rumor and with our failure to invest in the vaccine making process we wouldn't be able to stop the spread.

Science needs to be the deciding factor not fear.

Science with a healthy dose of common sense. It may be scientifically proven that a certain practice reduces the chance for spread of disease, but it is so impractical in the real world it isn't feasible.

[plowhand]

I hate to tell you folks.....most of todays educated folks seem don't seem to have the common sense to apply the education they have!

[||Downhome||]

Originally Posted by fishhead

Or we could just keep doing what we are doing until a disease outbreak kills millions of humans.

At our current density a disease could travel through the human population faster than a rumor and with our failure to invest in the vaccine making process we wouldn't be able to stop the spread.

Science needs to be the deciding factor not fear.

Nothing wrong with that, its called Nature, Some might say Divine Intervention.

Been going on a long time, Called survival of the fittest.
It is true that what doesn't kill you , Only makes you stronger.

As Moralistic Civilized Beings can't just decide who stays and who doesn't.
As Creatures prone to mistakes, if we did cross that line... We could really sabotage the gene pool.

So I think with the population levels what they are and just the general over all health of the population... Not to mention Social and economic Issues as well as the major stress we are putting on resources and environment a epidemic might just be a good thing.

Even If I found myself on the wrong side of the fence.
Something has to change , sometime and some how.

[fordy]

................OTOH , If all disease and sickness was cured , The population would grow so fast that the planet and it's environment would probably have more problems than it does currently ! , fordy

[am1too]

Originally Posted by haypoint

This may relate to the Cattle thread "All out attack on raw milk"

Analysis: Stopping disease swaps between humans and animals
By Dana MacLean
IRINnews.org
December 13, 2013


HONG KONG (IRIN) - With more than half of all human infections originating in animals, experts say a multi-sectoral, global response to zoonoses - diseases passing between animals and humans - is urgently needed. IRIN talked to a panel of experts to learn just how deadly humans and animals can be to one another, and ultimately how each can save the other.

"By neglecting the health of animals and ecosystems, we fail to recognize that human health is inextricably linked with animal and ecosystem health," said Laura H. Kahn, a physician and researcher at Princeton University in the US. Khan co-founded the One Health Initiative, which links human health to how well animals and the ecosystem fare.

With almost half of the some 1,000 pathogen species found in livestock and animals kept as pets able to cross over into humans, poor animal health undoubtedly increases the risk of poor human health, experts warn.

Known zoonoses cause an estimated 2.3 billion cases of sickness and 1.7 million human deaths annually, reported the Nairobi-headquartered International Livestock Research Institute (ILRI) in 2012.

But then there are the unknown viruses, which are estimated to number at least 320,000, according to calculations by Simon Anthony and co-researchers published in 2013.

Scientists say preventing and containing zoonoses requires improved human and animal health surveillance systems, food safety and biodiversity conservation and - equally difficult, if not more so - collaboration among biologists, veterinarians and doctors for people.

(where story first came from http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.as...=#.UrH1IeIlj5E)

{Link to the 130 page .pdf document http://www.fao.org/docrep/019/i3440e/i3440e.pdf }

So lets sell our country property and move to an apartment and become helpless. You have no idea what goes on in big agriculture. If you witnessed the meat producers properties you might not eat much outside of vegetables. You wouldn't be buying them from out of country producers either.

[am1too]

Originally Posted by fishhead

Or we could just keep doing what we are doing until a disease outbreak kills millions of humans.

At our current density a disease could travel through the human population faster than a rumor and with our failure to invest in the vaccine making process we wouldn't be able to stop the spread.

Science needs to be the deciding factor not fear.

So give the guberment and big ag all your trust.

[Paumon]

It's not an attack.

The message is as obvious and as simple as simple could be.

Treat your animals well and keep them healthy.

There is no other recourse. It's a no brainer.

Anyone who can't be bothered to treat their animals well and keep them healthy deserves to get sick. What goes around comes around.

[Tango]

Disease on an epidemic scale - like the entire truckload of day-old calves dying within three days of hitting the feedlot- is normal in agriculture. It is normal in any venture that takes nature and living beings and reduces them to units of production and factory/production line methods of raising. Correct me if i am wrong, but i have never read about respect for life in an ag website. Our farming methods are built upon a false foundation of human vs animal, human vs forest, human vs earth like nothing else matters - like we don't need animals on the planet, we don't need forests - like we don't need the planet. but the wheel seeks balance in all things and it is only a matter of time before the tilted things realigns somehow. And when it does it will take most of the pie. Whether you live in the country and have a nuke shelter or in the city in a high rise. We are all connected in a causal chain.These waves of civilization - the rise and fall - is part of all life everywhere. It just seems like maybe as human beings, we would do a little better to prevent the suffering of others 2, 4 or 6 legged or no legged or differently legged or in wheel chair.

[haypoint]

Originally Posted by Paumon

It's not an attack.

The message is as obvious and as simple as simple could be.

Treat your animals well and keep them healthy.

There is no other recourse. It's a no brainer.

Anyone who can't be bothered to treat their animals well and keep them healthy deserves to get sick. What goes around comes around.

Exactly. I started this thread as a spoof on the Attack on Raw Milk that was started a few days earlier in the Cattle section. Treat your animals well and keep them healthy. But just treating them well, doesn't keep them healthy. While Bio-Security goes a long way towards animal (and human) health, viruses and bacteria exist and create sickness and diseases.
How an article on the hazards of raw milk and the posting of the number of illnesses becomes an attack is beyond me. Just as this thread's information about the connection between animal health and human health isn't really an attack. But those that understand bacteria are not surprised by raw milk caused illnesses, any more than they would be surprised when a group of people catch the flu after going to the 4H Fair. Healthy well cared for cows can produce campylobacter tainted milk and healthy looking show pigs can spread flu to humans.
Blaming everything on the government or big agriculture doesn't excuse you from the realities of disease and disease prevention.

[haypoint]

Originally Posted by am1too

So lets sell our country property and move to an apartment and become helpless. You have no idea what goes on in big agriculture. If you witnessed the meat producers properties you might not eat much outside of vegetables. You wouldn't be buying them from out of country producers either.

Are any of those four "you" meant for me, or is that a general statement directed at all that read your comment? 'cause I take great exception to three of those wild allegations.

[Wolf mom]

Uh, folks - seems to me I've heard this argument couched in different terms - Anyone remember USDA/ NAIS???

We really need to connect the dots, be aware of the specific, but focus on the larger picture and remember attacks on our freedoms come from all sides.

[haypoint]

Tango wrote:
Disease on an epidemic scale
Yes, on a World Wide scale, but for the most part, this country’s efforts to control diseases is rolling along nicely. Rabies is a serious problem in much of the world, not much here, because of years of serious control efforts. Hoof and Mouth, TB and Brucellosis run rampant in many countries, but rare here.
- like the entire truckload of day-old calves dying within three days of hitting the feedlot- is normal in agriculture. It is normal in any venture that takes nature and living beings and reduces them to units of production and factory/production line methods of raising.
Having an entire truckload of calves isn’t normal. The loss of 50 calves would be devastating to even the largest of feedlots. No one can operate any business with livestock by going against nature. Great effort and expense is taken to keep cattle quiet, comfortable and healthy. Read a couple of Temple Grandon’s books or visit a feed lot.
Correct me if i am wrong, but i have never read about respect for life in an ag website.
Humane treatment of animals is the foundation of modern agriculture. Doing it efficiently and in large numbers doesn’t, in itself, make it against nature.
Our farming methods are built upon a false foundation of human vs animal, human vs forest, human vs earth like nothing else matters - like we don't need animals on the planet, we don't need forests - like we don't need the planet. but the wheel seeks balance in all things and it is only a matter of time before the tilted things realigns somehow. And when it does it will take most of the pie. Whether you live in the country and have a nuke shelter or in the city in a high rise. We are all connected in a causal chain.These waves of civilization - the rise and fall - is part of all life everywhere. It just seems like maybe as human beings, we would do a little better to prevent the suffering of others 2, 4 or 6 legged or no legged or differently legged or in wheel chair.
Scientists are working every day making such disease outbreaks less likely. Because of that, poorer countries have much more disease problems in both humans and animals. Rampant disease isn’t caused by big ag. By percentages, big ag has lower disease rates than small farms. They have to, it doesn’t work otherwise. Big ag isn’t your enemy. You make a good point about our connectedness. We have to balance our self-sufficient nature with the realization that we will be strongly connected to the rest of the world

[haypoint]

Originally Posted by Wolf mom

Uh, folks - seems to me I've heard this argument couched in different terms - Anyone remember USDA/ NAIS???

We really need to connect the dots, be aware of the specific, but focus on the larger picture and remember attacks on our freedoms come from all sides.

You can turn the concern for livestock diseases around to a government conspiracy if you must. Just don't haul any of your Mexico Border States cattle to Michigan without a Vet inspection, test for TB and a RFID (aka NAIS) ear tag.
I doubt you'd want to hear about the Saginaw County farm that had TB cows and how the gobment tracked down and tested 29,000 exposed cattle using the NAIS system, this fall, eradicating TB in several counties.

[mnn2501]

Originally Posted by copperkid3

We had the BLACK DEATH during the middle ages thin the herd

We could use another 'thinning of the herd'

[mnn2501]

Originally Posted by plowhand

I hate to tell you folks.....most of todays educated folks seem don't seem to have the common sense to apply the education they have!

People are so specialized in their knowledge and job that they no longer see the big picture and furthermore many can't even conceptualize the large scale ramifications of doing what will "fix' their own issue