Permaculture Book Recommendations? - Homesteading Today
You are Unregistered, please register to use all of the features of Homesteading Today!    
Homesteading Today

Go Back   Homesteading Today > General Homesteading Forums > Homesteading Questions


Like Tree13Likes

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread
  #1  
Old 12/08/13, 12:09 PM
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Central Florida
Posts: 3,288
Permaculture Book Recommendations?

Does anyone have any pro or con book recommendations for beginning permaculture? I've been looking around, and there is lots of stuff out there that doesn't apply to my farm. I'm north of Orlando, zone 9, all sand in the top 2 - 5 feet with some clay-sand mix down to 20+ft, slightly acidic, 1% organic matter, zero rocks. There is a gentle roll in the land, with no more than 40 ft difference between the peak and the lowest point. Due to the soil structure, there is no erosion or run off; no matter how hard or long it rains, the water runs right thru the soil, never leaving a puddle. The only pooled water is at the very lowest points where wild hogs have rooted for centuries and deposited enough muck to seal the bottom. In any farming / gardening / landscaping books, I often run into the problem of recommendations being more appropriate to the other 47 CONUS states.

I would like to start converting small sections of my farm to a permaculture design. I'm looking for books that are cover general concepts as well as specific how to info. Any assistance is greatly appreciated.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 12/08/13, 12:17 PM
Hammer Dulcimer Player
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Florida
Posts: 104
Free course on line offered. http://www.permaculturedesigntraining.com
I am also in zone 9 also with all the sand and you are right about some applications not working for us here in Florida. Maybe the link will assist in your search.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 12/08/13, 12:29 PM
Darren's Avatar  
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Back in the USSR
Posts: 9,961
The original.

Permaculture Book Recommendations? - Homesteading Questions
Glade Runner likes this.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 12/08/13, 01:09 PM
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Central Florida
Posts: 3,288
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tacoma View Post
Free course on line offered. http://www.permaculturedesigntraining.com
I am also in zone 9 also with all the sand and you are right about some applications not working for us here in Florida. Maybe the link will assist in your search.
EXCELLENT

A fantastic resource. I'll start on the lectures today.
dlmcafee and Tacoma like this.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 12/08/13, 08:35 PM
Brenda Groth
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Michigan
Posts: 7,817
also Permaculture One, Gaia's Garden (by Toby Hemenway), Carla Emery's Country Living Encyclopedia deals some with permaculture, and there are some good forest garden books out there too that are permaculturISH..
__________________
Brenda Groth
http://restfultrailsfoodforestgarden.blogspot.com/
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 12/09/13, 07:32 AM
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 5,204
You might find this free online course to your liking: http://mediasite.online.ncsu.edu/onl...52dcd1ced71521

geo
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 12/09/13, 01:19 PM
CajunSunshine's Avatar
Joie de vivre!
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: North, sometimes South of Sane
Posts: 1,297
Permaculture may see a rise in popularity, especially after more gardeners are afflicted with unintended consequences--in the garden and in the soil--as a result of small traces of long-lasting herbicides in the food/garden chain. If you are curious just how far reaching some chemicals can go, consider points in this thread in the Gardening forum downstairs, especially post #1 and #14: How well do you know your...manure?

Some of you may be wondering, what in the world is permaculture? http://www.permaculture.net/about/definitions.html

This popular permaculture forum features helpful articles, videos, and podcasts.
http://www.permies.com/


.
__________________
--Sharon Love, laugh, live...Joie de vivre!
http://purecajunsunshine.blogspot.com/ (I'm unable to get back into blog to post...experiencing 'technical difficulties'...)
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 12/10/13, 12:48 PM
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 800
While not a permaculture text per say, I'd recommend looking at Rodale's "Saving Three Lives", which focuses a lot on tree crops, intercroping, and growing leguminous trees along with crops. I'd say that a lot of the principles he lays out in this book would easily be co-opped by the permaculturalists.
http://www.amazon.com/Save-Three-Liv...ives%22+Rodale
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 12/10/13, 04:00 PM
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Central Florida
Posts: 3,288
thanks for the recommendations
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 12/13/13, 09:59 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Southern Oklahoma
Posts: 22
Sepp Holzer's "Permaculture:A Practical Guide to Small-Scale, Integrative Farming and Gardening".

Also, "Restoration Agriculture: Real-World Permaculture for Farmers, by Mark Shepard"
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 12/22/13, 08:49 PM
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Fl Zones 11
Posts: 8,121
An excellent book is Eric Toensmeier's Perennial Vegetables- Artichoke to Zuiki Taro. While his book is intended to apply to the lower 48, Hawaii, and Canada, he does show many tropical vegetables and list information sources.

Before reading his book, I had planted a cheap (because identification had been lost) lotus in a 17 gallon tub I bought for $5.99 from kmart, interested in lotus root to go with stir fries. The lotus grew well and I planted 4 more tubs as well as eating lotus root. The next year I planted 4 more. Now I have planted 3 more tubs and my rear yard is turning mostly into tubs.
The year after I started lotus I planted a cement mixing pan, approximately 2 ft by 4 ft by 6 inches, to water chestnuts. This year I have 4 of those tubs planted to water chestnuts and they are just getting to harvest stage.
The rest is ideas gleaned from Eric's book.
Last winter I ordered water meal from a pond plant supplier. If raised in hard water it has excessive oxalic acid to be edible so I have been trying to keep those two tubs where they get runoff from the roof. Watermeal is a high protein green widely used in SE Asia.
I have 2 pots planted to water celery and 1 to neptunia, neptunia is another high protein plant good for stir fries or salads.

I also have 3 tubs planted to wapato, or duck potato.

This autumn I planted 2 cement mixing pans to groundnuts (apios Americana)

Because of your location you might try katuk, or sauropus, and also chaya. I got mine from the Echo Farm's Global Demonstration farm in North Fort Myer about 10 years ago. Chaya makes an excellent cooked green, but because of small amounts of hydrocyanide in the leaf needs to be boiled for 3 -5 minutes, drained, fresh water added and boiled again. It should not be eaten raw or stir fried. Taste is similar to mild collards and much better than spinach. Katuk is delicious, tastes like a combo of peas and peanut. It can be eaten raw in salads or stir fried. These 2 along with moringa, are the 3 most nutritious green vegetables on the planet, high in protein, minerals, and coincidentally all 3 are trees that can be maintained as shrubs. If you want, I can root you cuttings when I prune my chaya.

Personally I have had too much ill effects from rootknot nematodes to want to plant in the ground anymore So I tend to plant everything in containers, yes, even the trees (my 3 in 1 lowchill combo apple struggled an died. After I read the ebook on raising apples in hot climates from www.kuffelcreek.com, I started ordering apples from www.bighorsecreekfarm.com, heritage Southern apples.) Not particularly lowchill. They are doing pretty well in big 45 gallon tree pots- my King David, Wealthy, Terry Winter Keeper, Arkansas Black, Brogden, Hoover, Victorian Limbertwig and Golden Grimes) I also have an olive, 2 peaches, a fig, and a yacon and a tree kale in pots. The yacon just bloomed two weeks ago so I can harvest any time now. The yacon is a dig and replant perennial.

Also in your zone consider monstera deliciousa as a fruit. It seems to do better as a shrub than as a vine. My limas and edible loofahs tend to live for 3-4 years, they are also perennial, and we have managed to grow winged beans for the first time this year.

Something else to consider is tropical clumping bamboo, it doesn't act like running bamboo, which is what most of us think of when someone mentions bamboo. Visit www.tropicalbamboo.com and you will learn a lot about this perennial vegetable.

I am trying to consider celery stem taro and gunnora, not sure quite where to site those as my yards are already so full and I have ordered 4 more apples and want more peaches too.

Strongly encourage you to visit ECHO on their Farm Day www.echonet.com. You will learn more about tropical gardening (and permaculture in the tropics) than you ever thought possible.
DEKE01 likes this.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 12/22/13, 10:39 PM
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Oregon
Posts: 1,366
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grandmotherbear View Post
Personally I have had too much ill effects from rootknot nematodes to want to plant in the ground anymore So I tend to plant everything in containers, yes, even the trees (my 3 in 1 lowchill combo apple struggled an died. .
I love hearing about your test planting, GMB.

Have you tried growing sesame or other crops that are reported to help control damage to crops from nematodes?

Here is a link to an article that reports on a number of plants that may be of some help in your situation:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2619832/

I have heard other good reports pertaining to nematode control for sesame. We tried a few plants this year and they grew very well with little care.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 12/23/13, 05:19 AM
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Central Florida
Posts: 3,288
Great info, grandmabear. Lots of good info on your links.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 12/23/13, 05:50 AM
elkhound's Avatar  
Join Date: May 2006
Location: GREY'S RIVER,BARSOOM
Posts: 12,516
http://www.geofflawton.com/sq/15449-geoff-lawton

sign up its well worth it and its free.
Buffy in Dallas and DEKE01 like this.
__________________
i went to the woods because i wished to live deliberately to front only the essential facts of life,.......,and not,when i came to die,discover that i had not lived...Henry David Thoreau
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 12/23/13, 08:06 AM
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Fl Zones 11
Posts: 8,121
The Florida Hillbilly blog also mentions canna, which produces sweet tubers.
Never heard of sesame against nematodes, possibly I will give that a try. I used homemade compost in a lot of pots last year and those plant roots did show some damage.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 12/23/13, 02:31 PM
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Central Florida
Posts: 3,288
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grandmotherbear View Post
The Florida Hillbilly blog also mentions canna, which produces sweet tubers.
Never heard of sesame against nematodes, possibly I will give that a try. I used homemade compost in a lot of pots last year and those plant roots did show some damage.
I was chatting with a UF extension agent last month who is very enthusiastic about container gardening because of nematodes. I asked if I made a solar oven and baked the soil before putting it in pots and he thought that would work. Just an untried idea, but I have seen it recommended to put black plastic down on bare ground to heat treat the soil.

Last edited by DEKE01; 12/23/13 at 03:00 PM. Reason: correct my stoopid speeling airers
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 12/23/13, 02:33 PM
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Central Florida
Posts: 3,288
Quote:
Originally Posted by elkhound View Post
http://www.geofflawton.com/sq/15449-geoff-lawton

sign up its well worth it and its free.
done. he is the one that got me interested in learning more and putting at least some of the perma concepts into action.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 12/23/13, 02:45 PM
Darren's Avatar  
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Back in the USSR
Posts: 9,961
The black plastic warms but does not sterilize the soil. Sterilizing may kill the good critters that are on your side.

http://www.buglogical.com/beneficial-nematodes/
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 12/23/13, 03:06 PM
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Central Florida
Posts: 3,288
Quote:
Originally Posted by Darren View Post
The black plastic warms but does not sterilize the soil. Sterilizing may kill the good critters that are on your side.

http://www.buglogical.com/beneficial-nematodes/
understood and agreed. But in the vertical stacked pot systems, they are recommending sterile composted pine bark for the potting soil. My first instinct when I hear of a relatively expensive input, is to figure out how I can do without or do it myself. I've got lots of pine, and lots of compost, it doesn't seem like an expensive step to sterile potting soil to get some throw away sliding patio doors to rig up a solar soil cooker.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 12/23/13, 03:18 PM
Brenda Groth
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Michigan
Posts: 7,817
if you haven't checked out this site do it www.permies.com
__________________
Brenda Groth
http://restfultrailsfoodforestgarden.blogspot.com/
Reply With Quote
Reply




Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
New permaculture book tsherry Survival & Emergency Preparedness 0 01/14/13 08:52 PM
Book Recommendations?? glasshousegoats Goats 2 05/30/12 10:04 AM
Free Kindle book: Permaculture Chicken: Incubation Handbook ladycat Poultry 0 04/23/12 12:46 PM
Four copies of famous permaculture book "Gaia's Garden" Paul Wheaton Homesteading Questions 0 05/08/08 11:20 AM
I need a few book recommendations, please! DixyDoodle Countryside Families 5 05/02/07 03:52 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:29 PM.
Contact Us - Homesteading Today - Archive - Privacy Statement - Top - ©Carbon Media Group Agriculture