I guess I should have expected it

[o&itw]

Living in Missouri, I have rejoiced that I do not have to put up with Oregon's "state ownership of all water"

Now I read this:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...ed-water-rule/

[Grumpy old man]

Drill you own well inside your barn and forget about asking anyone for permission . have it tested and tell them it's from your local fishing hole or property your looking to buy .

[Yvonne's hubby]

so·cial·ism
ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
noun
1.
a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
synonyms: leftism, welfarism;


com·mu·nism
ˈkämyəˌnizəm/
noun
1.
a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.

I dont even need to look up the phrase "Fundamental change".

[Old Vet]

The same thing was tried to the Blue Way in Arkansas in Arkansas and Missouri. They tried to make the White River a blue way so that they could control all the that may flow in to it. Arkansas and Missouri objected to it and shut it down. It affected a large portion of Arkansas The Northern portion and a portion of Missouri.

[Darren]

The EPA claims too much water is a pollutant!!!! Therefore it comes under their jurisdiction. I thought flooding fell under the Corps of Engineers and the NRCS. The EPA's involvement in flooding makes about as much sense as the IRS getting involved in healthcare.

I think I'll go into the jackboot business. Seems like the demand is taking off.

[Patchouli]

The only time storm water is a problem is when it runs right through a place with heavy contaminates like farms with manure lagoons or dumps or things like that. They aren't trying to take control of storm water they are trying to keep contaminants from flowing into streams and such. Your rain barrels are safe.

[Patchouli]

Originally Posted by Yvonne's hubby

so·cial·ism
ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
noun
1.
a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
synonyms: leftism, welfarism;


com·mu·nism
ˈkämyəˌnizəm/
noun
1.
a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.

I dont even need to look up the phrase "Fundamental change".

You will have to clue me in on how you got socialism and communism from that article. Keeping drinking water sources clean has nothing to do with either of those. If you get water from anyplace other than your own well they have imposed rules on the people who live around your source to keep it clean so you don't die.

[plowjockey]

Originally Posted by Darren

The EPA claims too much water is a pollutant!!!! Therefore it comes under their jurisdiction. I thought flooding fell under the Corps of Engineers and the NRCS. The EPA's involvement in flooding makes about as much sense as the IRS getting involved in healthcare.

I think I'll go into the jackboot business. Seems like the demand is taking off.

The EPA's interest in "flooding", is in storm water runoff, (cities and rural) that it picks up residues of gasoline, oil, chemical, manure, trash, medical, etc. that are laying on surfaces like, roads, parking lots, lawns, feed lots, farm fields, or ditches, ending up in the nearest waterway.

May not seem like much on your local parking lot, but apparently it all adds up. The EPA wants it controlled and/or captured and treated, before releasing into waterways.

Dead Zone At Mouth Of Mississippi In New Orleans Now Bigger Than Connecticut

http://www.lex18.com/news/dead-zone-...n-connecticut/

[arabian knight]

You got that right. That is the Dumbest move. This administration has GOT to be Stopped and the EPA has got to be neutered. Big Time.

[plowjockey]

Originally Posted by o&itw

Living in Missouri, I have rejoiced that I do not have to put up with Oregon's "state ownership of all water"

Now I read this:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...ed-water-rule/

Oregon has a severe water shortage, so letting everybody continue to " do their own thing", is not an option, at least in their eyes.

Might be plenty of water where you are at, but apparently those nearby, my not be as lucky (or free), with their water use.

CAMERON, Mo. - Low levels at several reservoirs have left one northwest Missouri community with a water shortage. The city of Cameron issued a water alert to help replenish the shortened supply

Most non-essential use of water is now prohibited including the testing of fire hydrants and flushing of sewers. Restaurant customers should only receive water by request. Watering plants and lawns is also mostly banned until further notice.

http://www.kshb.com/dpp/news/region_...w-in-reservoir

[plowjockey]

Originally Posted by Yvonne's hubby

so·cial·ism
ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
noun
1.
a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
synonyms: leftism, welfarism;


com·mu·nism
ˈkämyəˌnizəm/
noun
1.
a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.

I dont even need to look up the phrase "Fundamental change".

If Socialism is equated with clean water, then is Capitalism equated with pollution?

I don't get your point.

Remember, it was everybody's favorite Conservative - Richard Nixon, that created the EPA.

[Grumpy old man]

Many people complain about having to comply with EPA/CITY/STATE rules ,Try NOT complying at all and leave them out of your life . It's easier to ask forgiveness than permission ! I've never asked for anyone to give me permission to drill on my own land .

[plowjockey]

Originally Posted by Grumpy old man

Many people complain about having to comply with EPA/CITY/STATE rules ,Try NOT complying at all and leave them out of your life . It's easier to ask forgiveness than permission ! I've never asked for anyone to give me permission to drill on my own land .

It sound's like you have not yet been caught.

I work as a driver for a petroleum refinery. The slightest infractions with any EPA regulations, bring horrendously high fines.

They will forgive, but it's going to cost you.

[Grumpy old man]

Originally Posted by plowjockey

It sound's like you have not yet been caught.

I work as a driver for a petroleum refinery. The slightest infractions with any EPA regulations, bring horrendously high fines.

They will forgive, but it's going to cost you.

Never buy land without all the mineral rights . if i decide to drill for water who's gonna know ? or care ? we don't see many water cops around here .

[Ozarks Tom]

With the EPA the problem is "mission creep". The bureaucrat cubicle dwellers are always on the lookout for the opportunity to create another regulation (law) to justify their paychecks.

The can always come up with a pseudo scientific study (by the Sierra Club or their ilk) to justify their incursion on private property rights. Remember the lawsuit they lost, big time, against the oil/gas company over fracking? Their specious "evidence" was proved false, and regional director was humiliated publicly.

Nobody is in favor of polluted water, but there has to be some restraint applied to the environmental zealots when they try to stretch their authority into areas beyond their scope.

[Yvonne's hubby]

Originally Posted by Patchouli

You will have to clue me in

Originally Posted by plowjockey

I don't get your point.

If I have to explain it.... you wouldnt understand.

[Cornhusker]

Originally Posted by Grumpy old man

Never buy land without all the mineral rights . if i decide to drill for water who's gonna know ? or care ? we don't see many water cops around here .

I agree
It's my land and the lefties aren't going to tell me what to do, where to dig, what color to paint the fence, none of it.
Control freaks

[farmrbrown]

The feigning of ignorance when it comes to local control vs. the federal gov't is a common ploy of those that love to feed the Beast.
"Whatever do you mean? You mean you DON'T recognize his authority on all things?"

It's fun to get them to come out and admit it when you can, though, lol.

[Grumpy old man]

Would someone PLEASE take the cubicle/city dwelling epa experts out of the city for one day and show them the huge expanse of green space forests which lie between their cities , i think their too used to city life and consider pigeons as livestock .Reminds me of a time I was at a home show and a young girl asked me to sign a petition to stop cruel animal practices on cows at farms and to promote a vegan lifestyle . She was wearing leather sandels and a leather belt yet had no idea leather came from cows ??????

[Patchouli]

So do you all believe that there should be no regulations at all on water run off? You prefer that everyone who lives around your local lake or river that your water supply comes from be allowed to do whatever they want?