Other then meat how can I grow protein?

[Traffic gal]

So slaughtering animals according to Jewish law is not simple and even if we had a Shochet (person who could slaughter for us) come out butchering the meat and processing it is complicated so for now we cant depend on raising our own meats so I"m wondering is there other ways to get protein in our diets without buying meat/chicken at the store?

I can have chickens on the farm to lay eggs and thinking a goat to milk but if I'm not eating the goats what would I do with males born to my girls? and can one really live on eggs and milk?

[sammyd]

Beans peanuts peas

[farmrbrown]

Originally Posted by Traffic gal

So slaughtering animals according to Jewish law is not simple and even if we had a Shochet (person who could slaughter for us) come out butchering the meat and processing it is complicated so for now we cant depend on raising our own meats so I"m wondering is there other ways to get protein in our diets without buying meat/chicken at the store?

I can have chickens on the farm to lay eggs and thinking a goat to milk but if I'm not eating the goats what would I do with males born to my girls? and can one really live on eggs and milk?

See post above mine.
As for being "complicated" to slaughter and butcher, no. The instructions are there and easy to follow, remember illiterate country folk have been doing it for thousands of years, some without even knowing the Torah, lol.
God does provide, doesn't He?

Interesting that you brought up milk and eggs to live on.
When He spoke to me many years ago, it started when I stumbled upon an interesting fact in my chemistry and biology studies.
I then spoke to a visiting bible scholar who was in his 80's at the time, at our church many decades ago.
Ask your rabbi the same question I asked him. If he answers honestly, he'll probably give you the same answer....."It's an old Jewish expression thousands of years old, but I don't know the answer 'why' ."

The question?
Why was the land of Canaan called the land flowing with milk and honey?
Specifically, WHY those two foods?
Of all the possible combinations that we all can think of, did you ever find it odd and ask "why"?

The answer is so simple and yet so profound, that I'll never forget the look that old man gave me, a 23 year old beginning student in life. It humbled us both when I told him the answer and from Whom it came.

I won't bore you with the science of the matter, but that is what makes it awesome for me.
The short of it is, milk has every essential amino acid needed for the human body, I'm talking real milk here, straight from the animal or human.
Honey is just simple sugar, the simplest form that your body breaks down from everything you eat. C6 H12 O6.
Every complex protein and carbohydrate you eat is ultimately changed by those amino acids into this basic fuel.

So you could literally survive on milk and honey alone.
IOW, everything you NEED.
Teeth aren't needed BTW as was pointed out to me when I questioned the Father about that minor point, LOL.
My relationship with Him is not the same as others I have found.
Knowing that the word "fear" has to translations from Hebrew makes all the difference........

[fishhead]

You can grow lots of plant proteins. Just be sure to combine them to get all of the essential amino acids. Diet for a Small Planet had charts to show how to combine beans with peas, milk with grain, etc. to provide a complete protein.

[geo in mi]

http://www.livestrong.com/article/13...-common-foods/

Don't forget potatoes, 10 percent protein on a dry weight basis(a potato is 98% water.) Irish peasants practically lived on a monodiet of potatoes, of course they ate several pounds a day, but managed, as long as they added milk in the mixture. One way to get rid of the starch is to rinse your boiled potatoes with a preboiled water rinse(so they won't get cold) -- a lot of the the starch will go down the drain....

Fish, if there are no rules concerning the 'butchering' process?

Wheat and other grains, home-grown.......

Home grown nuts--try filberts.

See the book, "The Resilient Gardener", by Carol Deppe. She goes in depth with beans, potatoes, ducks and eggs, squash, and corn.....

geo

[Mid Tn Mama]

Sell the male goats (esp at times when they are prized for ethnic celebrations). Grow nuts, field peas, English peas, green beans-- ANY bean. Eat with potatoes, wheat as mentioned previously. Make hard cheese and soft cheeses and yogurts with your milk. Look at ethnic food that does not feature meat. I just posted on the tightwad tips thread about eating meatless meals.

[Harry Chickpea]

Fish. Just don't catch grandpa.

[K.B.]

How are you set for nuts?

[Dolly]

If I'm not mistaken, isn't it tradition to eat beans, peas, and chick peas/garbanzos during Purim? According to the label on the can I have, 1 cup has 15 grams of protein, which it says is 29% of the daily value for protein. Not too bad, and they are very versatile and are pretty easy to grow. Plus what you don't eat, your chickens will enjoy.

[wwubben]

Edible soybeans and dry beans.I don't know the protein requirement for infants but I would make sure they get the correct amount.

[karenp]

peanuts

[karenp]

How complicated is it to become a "Shochet"?

[John_Canada]

We make a lot of lentil soup with veggies galore. Any bean will work. Peanut butter. Rice has some protein. Tofu, eggs.

[NamasteMama]

Well spinach has 12 grams of protein per raw pound so eat your veggies, LOL

[Maura]

Hazelnuts are bushes, but can be pruned to a tree formation. they typically grow 15' x 15'. I think you need three for cross pollination. They can be planted in such a location as to be decorative or a hedge between your yard and the road. Sunflowers make a great seed, and you can feed them to your chickens in the winter. Jerusalem artichokes make a beautiful stand of sunflowers in late summer, I have two. The rhizomes are edible and a great addition to your diet. If you don't get around to harvesting them, you simply have a denser stand of pretty flowers the next year. If you decide to plant wheat, get an old variety, not a modern high yield type. Blue and purple potatoes are more nutritional than modern white varieties.

[Awnry Abe]

Is it the slaughter or the butchering that requires special handling? You mentioned in a prior post how far away from home your Shochet is, but I don't recall. Where we live, we have on-farm slaughter available to us. The animal is killed, field-dressed like a deer, skinned, and hauled hanging to the processor for further hanging, and finally butchering. Would something like that be less complicated, provided the Shochet is involved in the slaughter?

It gripes me when someone asks a question, and the peanut gallery proceeds to offer advice contrary to what was asked. And that is precisely what I have done here, so I suppose I gripe myself tonight. I am just trying to understand the complications that you are facing.


Also, unrelated to your question, as it seems you are trying to get your own house in order first, but do you have an opportunity to provide clean meat for your fellow Jew? Just curious.

[TedH71]

I know Muslims use the halal method of slaughter...is it the same way in the Jewish custom? If so, you could possibly consider contacting a halal butcher. They're out there.

[chamoisee]

Originally Posted by karenp

How complicated is it to become a "Shochet"?

Very. A shochet basically does a necroscopy on every animal butchered to ensure it was healthy, and if not healthy, whether the condition of the abnormal organ in question would have been a fatal condition. The rules regarding the knife used to kill the animal, alone...are extensive. And then the entire hindquarter is either sold to gentiles or has to have the sciatic nerve carefully, painstakingly dissected out. There cannot be ANY of the sciatic nerve in the meat, so most American Jews avoid the hindquarters altogether...but in Israel there are butchers who are able to dissect the nerve out.

[chamoisee]

If you live within a couple of hours of a big city with a good Jewish population, would it be feasible to ttransport the chickens to get butchered by a shochet there?

Also- hard cheese is out, requires rennet, unless one can find a reliable non-animal source of rennet intended for hard cheese.

[chamoisee]

Traffic Gal, aside from nuts, legumes, and other vegetarian foods, you could dairy. The question I was never able to get answered was, what do I do about milking them on Sabbath? They cannot go a full 24 hours without being milked (inhumane), hired help for this work is next to impossible to find, and milking a dozen goats twice a day is definitely, undeniably work, and then, having milked them, does one sell that milk? I used to give away the milk from Sabbath... :-/