Need Help Heating Shop

[badlander]

I'm hoping somebody has been there and done that so to speak.

We have a boxwood stove that we are hoping to use to heat our shop.

When we bought our homestead, the previous Amish owner was running two wood stoves, one a cook stove the other a furnace that was heating the shop, off of a single chimney.

Not a good idea. So we disconnected the old inefficient furnace and heat our living area from the existing chimney and an EPA stove.

I've attached an pic of our homestead taken shortly after we took possession in 09 so it is a bit dated BUT, the overhang porch faces north, the add on room which was an office for the Amish man's cabinet shop faces the west. We were considering putting the stove in the north west corner and running the pipe through the wall space between the corner of the building and the office. BUT that would give us a lot of stove pipe outside to reach above the peak. You can see the original chimney through the trees on the east third of the building.

The shop is attached to the house.

Any ideas of how to add this second fireplace without having to go through the roof to do it? Keep in mind the house section of the building is to the east and begins just about where the existing chimney is.

Thanks in advance for any help.

[simi-steading]

Only way I can picture doing what you ask is to build a chimney outside the wall, then run a pipe through the wall into the chimney.. stovepipe is cheap compared to building a chimney..

[badlander]

Originally Posted by simi-steading

Only way I can picture doing what you ask is to build a chimney outside the wall, then run a pipe through the wall into the chimney.. stovepipe is cheap compared to building a chimney..

Like a lot of homesteaders we are pretty low tech on the farm. Lots of timber so we provide our own heat. We are thinning overgrowth in our forest and easily drop 30 to 40 trees from 4 inch trunks to 16 inch twice a year so fuel isn't a problem and why we would like to burn wood for heat in the shop.

We just have to figure out a way to make it work. Going through the roof wouldn't be a problem.....getting up on the roof would be the challenge. As you can see, it is metal and slick! And unfortunately we aren't as young as we once were and don't bounce when we hit the ground like we used to. Which is why we would prefer to go through the wall and up with an unenclosed chimney pipe preferably.

[Sawmill Jim]

Triple wall chimney pipe you can check it out on line a little pricey but it works . You can't run much single wall pipe outside trust me i know . As much as ten foot of single wall outside with a low fire in cold weather and the smoke backs up in the house or it did mine .

[coolrunnin]

Here is a kit that northern tool carries.

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...6637_200316637

[badlander]

Coolrunnin your link didn't come through.

[simi-steading]

OK.. I get you... I thought you were trying not to use pipe more for looks than anything..

I've got a double wall pipe running from my kitchen heater... I know if it was single wall, it would get too cool and not draw right since it's running about 15 feet up the outside wall to get above the roof line... So long as you can keep the heat in the pipe, you should be fine running it out the wall and up..

If you do decide to go through the roof, you can always lay a ladder or two on the roof and tie it off to use to keep your footing.. That's what I have to do with my roof because it's so steep.

[badlander]

Semi- our homestead is short on looks, long on comfort.

We have nicknamed it Recycled Acres because we have done just that with just about everything we have used to update and remodel it so looks aren't as important as functionality. We say if we need something, check the barn, sheds and ravines before heading to the hardware store because the previous owner probably left it behind.

Another reason we were hoping to go through the wall is to utilize 'edge' space over 'workshop' space. But I like the ladder idea. Thanks.

[Rectifier]

Outdoor chimneys suck, they fail to prime and backdraft often when it's cold. It can be so bad that you stop down an airtight stove and it will just go out or back puff. I had a place where we were constantly stuffing lit newspaper after newspaper up the chimney to try to get the ---- thing to draw. Outdoor brick chimney. People often blame the stove, but every stove I've known with a straight indoor chimney through the roof has been a dream to light and burn.
My parents' old stove will burn all day and night happily at a super low fire, it's a very basic box stove but the chimney is straight up and indoors.

If you can get on the roof, that is the right choice.

[badlander]

Originally Posted by Rectifier

Outdoor chimneys suck, they fail to prime and backdraft often when it's cold. It can be so bad that you stop down an airtight stove and it will just go out or back puff. I had a place where we were constantly stuffing lit newspaper after newspaper up the chimney to try to get the ---- thing to draw. Outdoor brick chimney. People often blame the stove, but every stove I've known with a straight indoor chimney through the roof has been a dream to light and burn.
My parents' old stove will burn all day and night happily at a super low fire, it's a very basic box stove but the chimney is straight up and indoors.

If you can get on the roof, that is the right choice.

Got to agree with you. Our EPA stove's chimney is thimbled through the wall separating the house from the shop then straight up through the ceiling and roof. The stove lights fast and draws like a champ.

DH and I are both 60ish. Roofs spook me and him on the slick roof gives me the peedoodles. May be time to find a young Amish guy in the neighborhood who isn't afraid of heights.

[Rectifier]

Not sure if you have the stove already or if you are required to have a "proper" stove for insurance purposes - but an option with a side exhaust is the so-called Rocket stove.

Rocket stoves are a homemade oil drum stove with a unique exhaust system involving positive pressure generated inside the stove by an insulated firebrick riser, and a thermal mass for heat storage. Kind of like the Masonry stoves used in cold parts of Europe.
Note that they can require a lot of tuning and are considered an experimenter's technology right now. They can be hard to start but once started they really tear and can store a lot of heat. People have reported some very good efficiencies. There is a forum dedicated to building and research at http://donkey32.proboards.com where I used to post when I was doing work on a pellet-fired version. These days I live in a place with natural gas and insurance, so I have retired from Rocket stoves for now.

[badlander]

Our insurance is through the Farm Bureau. It was the only company that would insure a homestead that at the time didn't have electricity. They are very good folks to work with.

We have a Vogelzang boxwood stove that we are planning to use....trying to make do and utilize what we have.