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08/23/13, 04:37 PM
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A little rant.
Ok little rant time here anyways my father basically just said that everything that I proposed was stupid and he didn't wanna nickel and dime it. He want to turn the farm into one of those deer farms I've been trying to tell him that the startup cost and taxes and all the other expenses are gonna kill him and we might lose the farm in the process. Also add to it that I really don't think it is sustainable. Just doesn't seem my voice is worth the air its carried on.  Thanks for listening.
Farmers only worry during the growing season, but towns people worry all the time.
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08/23/13, 04:57 PM
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My family tends to have these types of conflicts too but I do find that they tend to listen to reason a bit better if you break it down in a business manner.
Maybe start with the cost of game fencing, which is incredibly expensive. Figure out what it is going to cost to stock the farm but make sure you calculate the cost associated with establishing a breeding program, sustaining the stock and ultimately growing a certain amount out to trophy size.
Remind him that along with all the general issues associated with running such a business, advertising is a must and the level of advertising you need is very expensive because you're catering to a very specific group.
If that doesn't work, I've found that once in a while, it's just easier to beg for forgiveness than ask for permission so if I feel strongly, I have been known to go ahead with some of my smaller ideas that I know will succeed.
Working with family can be both a blessing and a nightmare, even with the best working relationships.
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08/23/13, 05:12 PM
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Who does the farm belong to? The owner gets the final word about what will be done with it.
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08/23/13, 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by oregon woodsmok
Who does the farm belong to? The owner gets the final word about what will be done with it.
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What if it put the farm and land in jeopardy of losing it for future generations?
Farmers only worry during the growing season, but towns people worry all the time.
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08/23/13, 06:21 PM
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I don't have a clue what type farming you are doing but there is big bucks in a deer farm.I can buy female fawns for $250 and males $400 straight run. If you want genetics the price starts at $1250 for does and A good buck upward of $5000.A friend has a deer farm and has "catch stalls" and catches urine and processes scents and also makes trapping lures and scents,is a fur buyer and buys deer hides and processes deer.Oh and has his own line of traps.
Yep! he makes money but I can't tell you the last time we went fishing!
You just need to get everything down in black and white and make your case in a proper time and frame of mind and hope you both can find common ground.Good luck!
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08/23/13, 06:26 PM
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A deer farm?
Well, I learn something new here everyday. Good luck.
And as the others say, make a business plan or analysis and present facts.
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08/23/13, 06:55 PM
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Just back off and let him do the math. No one likes their kids telling them they are stupid. If you don't want to be a part of it, then don't be a part of it, but it may never happen, so just keep quiet, be respectful.
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08/23/13, 07:23 PM
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Maybe he is trying to save the farm for the future generations. I would be sure deer farms are legal in your state, raising wild animals is not legal in some states.
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08/23/13, 07:41 PM
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Farmers only worry during the growing season, but towns people worry all the time.
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A rather odd statement.
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08/23/13, 07:51 PM
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What if it put the farm and land in jeopardy of losing it for future generations?
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I guess that depends on who the farm belongs too? Personally, I don't believe parents are obligated to make sure their future generations are provided for. If there is something left over after they die, then children should feel lucky..lol
If your father bought and paid for the land....he has the right to do with it how he sees fit as long as he has the mental capacity and the funds. You didnt say how old your father was....
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08/23/13, 08:01 PM
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I guess that depends on who the farm belongs too? Personally, I don't believe parents are obligated to make sure their future generations are provided for. If there is something left over after they die, then children should feel lucky..lol
If your father bought and paid for the land....he has the right to do with it how he sees fit as long as he has the mental capacity and the funds. You didnt say how old your father was....
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He is 56 well in truth its still my grandmothers land as my grandfather passed last year. But my father "Runs" it even tho he only lives there 2 days a week. I live there 7 days a week 365 days a year and help my grandmother and take care of my family. All I ask for is for my voice to be heard a little and not treated like I'm a child.
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A rather odd statement.
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Yea it's my signature.
Farmers only worry during the growing season, but towns people worry all the time.
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08/23/13, 08:06 PM
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How old are you? You sound about early 20's.
Have you been out on your own, and not in the family business.
I ask, because those factors will have a bearing on your rant.
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08/23/13, 08:13 PM
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28 lived off farm sense I was 20 to show my family that I could make it on my own. Bought my own trailer at 26 and with permission from my grandmother as my grandfather had Alshimers (sp) I moved back to the farm.
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08/23/13, 08:22 PM
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If it was me I would test the market with $100 worth of free Adwords credits. People do it all the time to test titles of new books and ideas they have for businesses/products because it will tell you the size of the market that wants your product pretty darn fast. You can also narrow it down to only test in specific areas. Google is one of the greatest test beds in history. Just have to make use of it.
The one thing I have learned the hard way about business is you better have a REALLY high demand product before any investment and then bootstrap the investment to mitigate the risk.
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08/23/13, 08:27 PM
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Farming of any kind is always a gamble and there certainly are no guarantees. If your father loses the farm with deer farming... thats the breaks... but have you considered all the possibilities of success? I know my father was never a farmer, it took him close to 20 years after he quit trying to farm to pay off the debts he racked up with conventional farming practices. I suggest giving the man a bit of credit for his enterprising attitude. Seems like he has made it so far. 
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08/23/13, 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by countryfied2011
I guess that depends on who the farm belongs too? Personally, I don't believe parents are obligated to make sure their future generations are provided for. If there is something left over after they die, then children should feel lucky..lol
If your father bought and paid for the land....he has the right to do with it how he sees fit as long as he has the mental capacity and the funds. You didnt say how old your father was....
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My DH's Grandmother used to tell us that her will says "being of sound mind, I spent it all." LOL
But yes I agree, what you give your kids is the morals and work ethic it takes to make their own way in life. Anything else is just a bonus.
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08/23/13, 08:33 PM
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Thanks for answering my questions.
I imagine my daughter probably rants about me some times.
But not about these things.
Best wishes on it being resolved.
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08/23/13, 08:34 PM
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This is an interesting dilemma. Not his farm, not your farm. Hmmmmmm.
Mid 20's? Been to college? Got a degree in business? Does your father have a *reason* to listen? Have you started your own business and been successful?
Visit some deer farms. HUGE expensive operation, so I'm on your side of why NOT to do it.
Also, the deer farm manager that I visited showed me does laid out like cordwood, sedated, waiting to be artificially inseminated. They used hormones to have all the does cycle at the same time. Not exactly what anyone interested in sustainability might want to be involved with.
They had a goat herd to provide milk for the fawns. Unfortunately, they didn't know squat about goats, either, and their goats had Johne's and CAE. Tragic.
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08/23/13, 08:47 PM
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My DH's Grandmother used to tell us that her will says "being of sound mind, I spent it all." LOL
But yes I agree, what you give your kids is the morals and work ethic it takes to make their own way in life. Anything else is just a bonus.
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I'm already teaching my kid these traits. When it comes time and he shows me he has a good and firm grasp on everything then he will get what I will have for him. Be it a little or a lot.
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