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Old 07/21/13, 10:22 PM
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multi species livestock living arrangements

Would anyone have the time to share barn plans of how your animals are housed?

I presently have 1 horse, 1 mini, 10 hens, 3 goats and 2 rabbits. Goats and rabbits are occasionally bred, offspring is eventually butchered. Every 2 or 3 years we would do a flock of meat birds. I would, on occasion like to have a couple of butcher pigs.


My reasoning for wanting to see your plans???

My DH passed away last year. There are no children at home. I enjoy the animals but am looking for a way to stream line living arrangements/chores.
Presently, horses are in one barn, goats and rabbits in another, the chickens are in yet another.

I hope to sell this place and move. And have been thinking on how I could make chores just a bit easier for one person.

Any ideas you have to offer are greatly appreciated. Thank you
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Old 07/21/13, 10:49 PM
 
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First, let me say how sorry I am you lost your dh. That must be a very difficult thing to go through. It sounds like simplifying your life would be a positive change. Before you get mad at me, at least "consider" what you are getting out of all these animals? Perhaps you would want to eliminate those that aren't "producing" something worthwhile for you, which eliminates part of the housing/care problem as well. Probably not the answer you wanted to hear. We have goats, chickens, cats and dogs, and they all have their own "mini barns" instead of one large barn...another suggestion.
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Old 07/21/13, 11:20 PM
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I made a chicken coop inside my barn by enclosing it with chicken wire and making a door and ramp to the outside. Now I have them in a separate coop. It was easier when they were all in the same place. My steers and sheep have always shared the same shelter. I divide it in half and put a 2x4 across the sheep opening so the cows can't go into their side.
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Old 07/22/13, 12:07 AM
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You could have a section of the barn with hanging cages for the rabbits, with a wheelbarrow below to catch manure for the compost. This would save having to shovel the manure into the wheelbarrow.

Chickens could be on the floor, in the same sectioned-off area as the rabbits, with nest boxes. They could take care of fly larvae in the rabbit manure that falls through the cages. And you could collect eggs, feed and water both the rabbis and the chickens at the same time.

The goats and equines can be in an open-barn type situation on the other side of the building. Perhaps have a stall or two at the back; one for feed storage and the other for kidding does or an injured animal.

Everyone would be under one roof, but I personally find having everyone outdoors with a shared run-in shelter for the goats and horses, coop with nest boxes locking up the hens at night, rabbits in a pen with their own small shelter and the compost pile in the middle of everything to be the easiest. Run-in shelters are cheaper to build than a large barn and IMO easier to maintain. With the exception for the chickens, there is no need to turn everyone in/out. Manure in the paddocks don't build-up as fast as in small spaces, such as a stall.
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Old 07/22/13, 08:47 AM
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i am sorry at your loss, i know how hard it is. i think making your chores easier is a good idea, i'm doing similiar myself. the horse may or may not be able to co exist with your goats, my horses would beat a goat to a pulp. but being a lone horse, yours may not. is your goat situation for milking?

i would think having the small cage sized in one area, larger hooved in another area. i would also consider how these things eat--same diets can live together.

altho i think streamlining chores is a great idea, i also think having them is good too. having nothing to care for is not fun. the animals' company may be the best thing of all for you. i know i'd be in much worse shape myself if i hadn't had my animals.
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Old 07/22/13, 08:27 PM
 
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I would have a large "Box" for the larger animals to come and go as they please. I'd use rotational grazing for the horses and goats and sheep with something for shade in the summer, trees or a hoophouse. I'd pretty much use the "barn" for the farrier and shearer, and to bring them all in at night if predators are a problem. This leaves less manure for you to move to the compost yet makes it easy to shear, farrier, medicate. I'd have the chickens in a predator proof "box" at night on perches. Chickens prefer to be up off the ground when they roost.
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Old 07/23/13, 06:55 AM
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We have kept chickens and rabbits together happily. Just make sure that the rabbits cn get way from beneath where the chickens roost t night.

My Dad keeps his goats and horses together. They seem to make good companions for one another.
I don't see why you couldn't keep them all in one barn, in different stalls or areas. Our chicken coop is in our barn, I feel like it adds an additional element of predator protection, housing the birds with everyone else. Plus all of the chores can be done at once. No extra outside trips on rainy/snowy mornings!
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Old 07/23/13, 07:40 AM
 
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First off, What size IS your barn. Where do you keep your hay and grain/feed? Keeping chickens in a big barn might make it harder to find the eggs. Ive never kept rabbits in a bldg. so I know nothing about that. You might build a lean to shed on one end of your barn for hogs, but it could go to any animal.
Im not to sure you would save so much time, as you would have to be walking in through several doors in the barn to get to all the different pens, or walking around the barn on the outside to do the same thing.
People origionally kept their chickens in separate houses for definite reasons. I don't know what they are, but that don't make the original reasons any less valid.
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Old 07/23/13, 08:26 AM
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My 30x36 barn has six stalls (I have a run in shed in the field for the horses). One stall is fronted with fencing for the chickens and they have a chicken sized door on the outside wall that opens to their run. Same with goats (and eventually my sheep) sort of like a dog kennel with attached runs. The rabbits are in two tiered cages in one stall. This also leaves a few stalls open for quarantine or the horses if someone needs one.
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Old 07/23/13, 09:27 AM
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I am finding it difficult to make suggestions because you already have a few structures built; yet you didn't show them, so I don't know what could be done with them. Could you post some pictures?
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Old 07/24/13, 11:03 AM
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Great ideas so far, love the idea of putting wheel barrows under the rabbit cages! I also think my goats and horses can live agreeably together.

Of course, I always think I am so clear in my communication, but in re-reading my op, I see that I failed miserably!!!

The intent of my op was to obtain ideas for my "dream barn" .
When my present home sells, and I move to a new location, I would like to have given enough thought to barn planning that chores will be easier than they are now.


Hope this makes my request clearer. thank you
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Old 07/24/13, 09:13 PM
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Oh, of course. You will be moving to a completely different place; so you have the freedom to construct any type of set up you want. That makes it much easier for me at least throw out some ideas.

You have been getting some great ideas already, not at all unusual for this forum. Maybe I can speak to some things that have not been mentioned as yet.

Let me tell you what guided the buildings for my animals. I wanted them to all be in areas that would have some north-wind protection, be down-wind from my home, be high enough in elevation to avoid any flooding and would be close enough together so that tending the needs of all the animals/fowl housed would be easy during bad weather. I also wanted all buildings near the drive that goes thru the property for convenience in re-stocking feed/hay/etc.

I wanted the feed safe & convenient as well, i.e. bags inside metal barrels to keep varments out of it and hay in a loft that the goats/horses cannot reach.

Water buckets are always best hanging on walls so they stay cleaner and feeder bins are best high enough so goats need to step up to reach the hay in them...thus, keeping the hay cleaner too.

I don't raise rabbits; but when I do they will be in a colony on the ground in an area that does not get much sunshine so they can stay cooler during hot weather. I don't raise pigs; but if I did, they would be farther down from the other housing adjacent to some type of marsh so they can stay cool during hot weather. (Would be doing a great deal of learning before starting these projects; so even these ideas are open to change.)

Since you live in Michigan you might want to consider creating part of your "roofing" out of a roofing-type plastic so the sunshine can get thru and help warm the barn during winter months. (I also placed a window strategically so as to get some sunshine into the barn.)

The loft where you store your hay should be well ventilated because some people have problems with hay getting to hot and literally starting a fire. (I placed utility wire as the top part of the sides of my loft directly under the roofing rafters to let any hot air escape. My loft also has one side completely open to the barn and one end completely open for convenience.) If you do decide on a loft, you will need an easy way to get your hay into it. Some people use pulleys for this. I chose to build two 4x4 steps that led to a door in my loft.

Housing for animals is always best if they have a southern exit (to keep the north winds from blowing thru) that is actually connected to their pen (just in case you want to go somewhere and want to keep the animals from free-ranging for a few hours).

The chicken house is something we spent a good deal of time preparing because of the predators we have here. First off we divided the structure that houses our fowl to accommodate the needs of the 3 different types of fowl we have, i.e. chickens, guineas and weeder geese. By that I mean we put up some roosting boards "inside" the chicken house as well as "outside" the chicken house (under extra wide roofing hangover). Then we went entirely around that chicken house and stopped up ALL areas a predator may enter, i.e. between rafters, under walls, thru chicken pen. We used utility wire for most of this but also used plywood to close rafters. Where we could not get the utility wire or board, we made a ball the size we needed out of baby chicken wire and pushed that into the areas. We also put plastic-coated "utility wire" over the entire pen to keep predators out.

Our chicken house is also divided up so that we have a door in the middle and can separate half from the other half. This doorway also has a permanent 2-1/2 ft board at the bottom of it. This means we can hang the feeders in one side and keep the geese out of that food. This also means we can hang lights and set up our extra boards to create a brooder, shut the door and keep ALL fowl out while we raise baby birds we will be putting in the freezer.

One thing I especially like about the way we structured our buildings is that everything that houses animals (as well as the area where we slaughter our meat animals) are adjacent to our garden. This makes it real easy to place their bedding into the garden composting.

Now I've added something that has not been mentioned because I have a Bulgarian Karakachan to guard my animals; and I wanted her to have her own special place in the barn should she choose to use it. I created a 3' x 4' shelf 2-1/2 ft high that she can either get on top of or lay under. (It also serves as a nice place for newborn kids to hide and/or play.)

Lastly I set up freeze-proof water hydrants strategically throughout the property, one for the barn and kiddie pools, one for the chickens/garden/orchard, one for watering the back acreage and one for the front acreage. This set up makes it much easier and has worked well.

Do let us know (hopefully with pictures when you can) where you relocate to and how you've set your place up. Hope all goes well for you. I know homesteading can be difficult when doing it alone; however, I'm up in years and do much around here alone. It is so very rewarding because I cannot step outdoors without seeing God's love all around me.
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