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05/30/13, 06:26 AM
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GMO wheat found growing in Oregon
Remember when you could assume the wheat you were purchasing was GMO free?
http://www.oregonlive.com/business/i...d_wheat_f.html
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05/30/13, 07:46 AM
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Someone broke the law and violated their contract by saving seed for planting that was prohibited from being saved for seed. If they can locate the criminal, expect big fines and a lawsuit.
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05/30/13, 07:53 AM
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Well in the article, the person that had the field it was found in, turned it in; so probably not him.
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05/30/13, 07:56 AM
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borrowing a good bit of Melissa's words from Families, about talking about GMO issues.
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So, bickering, name-calling or being disrespectful to each other will be dealt with.
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05/30/13, 08:03 AM
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Whoever it is, they have been doing it over and over through the years. It hasn't been available, legally for a long time.
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05/30/13, 09:32 AM
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thanks Rambler. Looks as if there is an OOPS somewhere.
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05/30/13, 09:42 AM
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Grow your own, that's the only way you'll know for sure. If you want to avoid GMO, when the wheat is about ready to harvest, spray it with Glyphosate. If it dies, it is safe to eat. If it lives, it is GMO and must be destroyed. Problem solved.
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05/30/13, 11:16 AM
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Grow your own, that's the only way you'll know for sure. If you want to avoid GMO
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Only if you save your own seed and know IT is not contaminated. And it is not near where this was found.
I couldn't do your test. (just me), I don't want roundup near my food. I am not a purist, if I can live without it I do. I can use it later if needed but I can never go back for a redo IF it is found to be bad. I do however use it in places I don't plant....James
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05/30/13, 11:54 AM
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Grow your own, that's the only way you'll know for sure. If you want to avoid GMO, when the wheat is about ready to harvest, spray it with Glyphosate. If it dies, it is safe to eat. If it lives, it is GMO and must be destroyed. Problem solved. 
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I have to say that this comment reminds me strongly of the Salem witch trials where an accused person was dunked in water, and if they drown they were not a witch, and if they lived they were and could be killed for being a witch.
Same logic. It kills the good.
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05/30/13, 12:48 PM
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Grow your own, that's the only way you'll know for sure. If you want to avoid GMO, when the wheat is about ready to harvest, spray it with Glyphosate. If it dies, it is safe to eat. If it lives, it is GMO and must be destroyed. Problem solved. 
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But, but, what if it is a strain of wheat that became glyphosphate resistant through evolution on its own because it was exposed to glyphosphate in the past and survived the inital exposure?
Kinda like the weeds we have now that have developed their own glyphosphate tolerance/resistance?
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05/30/13, 02:17 PM
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Grow your own, that's the only way you'll know for sure.
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Unfortunately that doesn't work because if someone else within up to several miles away is growing GMO crops then it can contaminate yours with pollen carried by the wind or bees, etc or by birds and other animals that eat the GMO seed and then poop some out in your fields or gardens.
GMO crop growers should be required by law to isolate their crops from the environment to protect nature and other people's crops from their unwanted genetics. Proper measures were required of the GMO salmon to make sure that it can not escape into the wild. Likewise the same should be done for plants so that we can grow our own like you suggest and save our seed without fear of being infested with GMOs or Monsanto lawsuits.
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05/30/13, 02:28 PM
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Grow your own, that's the only way you'll know for sure. If you want to avoid GMO, when the wheat is about ready to harvest, spray it with Glyphosate. If it dies, it is safe to eat. If it lives, it is GMO and must be destroyed. Problem solved. 
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Brilliant!
I wouldnot spray the whole field of course, just a little to do the test.
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05/30/13, 02:39 PM
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if someone else within up to several miles away is growing GMO crops then it can contaminate yours
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Got any evidence of that ever happening?
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05/30/13, 02:58 PM
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... if someone else within up to several miles away is growing GMO crops then it can contaminate yours with pollen carried by the wind or bees....
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Wheat is self-pollinated and the pollen is only viable for a few minutes, so I doubt if it could blow several miles away and contaminate your field of wheat.
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05/30/13, 03:11 PM
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Got any evidence of that ever happening?
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Just one of many articles on isolation distances.
http://howtosaveseeds.com/isolate.php
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05/30/13, 03:54 PM
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if someone else within up to several miles away is growing GMO crops then it can contaminate yours
The wind blows....
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05/30/13, 05:32 PM
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We had a seed dealer near us that was convicted of fraud, over a million dollars he was able to scam, so my bets are on a shady "used car salesman" seed dealer!
This is what happens when the American people allow big money to buy our politicians and hold captive our federal and state regulatory agencies. Look forward to more of the same, until we catch a clue in this country about the frankenfoods that most of the rest of the world already knows about. Let your representatives and senators know this is unacceptable, so they can stand up to the Bruce Hannah and Roy Blunt types who are in Monsanto's pockets.
I only have two thumbs to point down at any agency who has blantatly lied by saying "there is little or no evidence that GMOs are harmful..really?..I mean REALLY? Sorry, but we don't want your bought and paid for, self regulating evidence, which you use look the other way. What does Monsanto have in common with Satan? They never tell the truth. They come disgused as a benefit to mankind. (they sure have Bill Gates fooled). They want to take over the world's food supply, and then they will destroy everything that God has created for us! When the vote for GMO labeling came up in California, the propaganda flowed from Monsanto. I have to believe that the vote was rigged as well.
Vote for GMO labeling and then don't buy their poisonous foods. Starve them out, not us!...
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Last edited by AngieM2; 05/30/13 at 10:18 PM.
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05/30/13, 06:01 PM
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Wheat is self-pollinated and the pollen is only viable for a few minutes, so I doubt if it could blow several miles away and contaminate your field of wheat.
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However most plants are not self-pollinating so this is an issue with most other species of plants.
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Even if this is not uncontainable and not harmful, sooner or later something awfully unexpected will happen and will be impossible to stop.
No one was sure that the atom bomb would work until they made one. Then they thought they could keep others from having it. But the US couldn't. We are about at the end of that delusion where we give up trying to contain it at all. And atom bomb are not self-replicating.
I suppose that other countries will be checking more thoroughly for it now. I wonder if they'll find that they have been eating it for years.
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