Are all you Okies OK, and others in the path?

braggscowboy · #1 05/20/13, 10:52 PM

Sad day for Oklahoma in the Moore area. Lots of lives lost and several kids I understand. Lot of good comments about the teachers and what they did or tried to do for their students. Love me some teachers. Had quiet a lot of hail in the nickel size, thought my garden would be ruined, but did not look like I thought it would. Wind blew it around some. We are suppose to get more tomorrow. Don't need anymore. Everyone in the path of these storms, stay safe.

FarmboyBill · #2 05/20/13, 11:04 PM

What gets me, is there constantly saying how prepared they are at weather forecasting. All the specialized equipment, 2 helocopters in the air which is supposed to be the only state in the onion to have 2, AND YET, they still cant give warning enough ahead of a storm to keep a catsastrophy like Moore from happening.
Secondly. Moore was hit bad before. How often does this have to happen to a town that they are prepared for an early alert warning system.

Rollochrome · #3 05/20/13, 11:06 PM

Prayers sent for all you guys up there...

Sad sad day...

myheaven · #4 05/20/13, 11:27 PM

I can only pray!

mike3367 · #5 05/20/13, 11:55 PM

im looking at the kxii imap and i hope that big ball of red misses ada right now, http://www.kxii.com/weather/misc/119405754.html

Big Dave · #6 05/21/13, 06:48 AM

Loss of life this am is 90. I do not know how many at the elementary school. I woke with a heavy heart. Storm passed over last night about 9p. The pressure changed and the cats went wild. Tornado passed over and didn't touch down. Temp dropped. You could feel it. People are still without power in the area. To give you an Idea. I am three hours from MOORE Ok.

Tricky Grama · #7 05/21/13, 07:01 AM

Prayers for all concerned.
Will be driving thru OKC Fri am...

AngieM2 · #8 05/21/13, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by FarmboyBill

What gets me, is there constantly saying how prepared they are at weather forecasting. All the specialized equipment, 2 helocopters in the air which is supposed to be the only state in the onion to have 2, AND YET, they still cant give warning enough ahead of a storm to keep a catsastrophy like Moore from happening.
Secondly. Moore was hit bad before. How often does this have to happen to a town that they are prepared for an early alert warning system.

They had a warning system. They had a plan in Moore - they kept the kids in the schools so they would not be on the road during this tornado passing.... BUT, for all the well thought out warnings and plans - some tornados are bigger than what is planned for.

This one, from the looks, wiped the path clean. Not just damaged greatly the buildings, but wiped it clean -

And for being underground to be safe, 7 of those children that died were underground, and drown in the water that came into whatever they were hiding in.

This is just plain horrible.

FarmboyBill · #9 05/21/13, 08:39 AM

Angie, givin your right. Since it was bigger, ,,,,,,

It has just been showed that it was spotted outside of Newcastle, which is before Moore. Since it had been spotted BEFORE it had hit Moore, the schools at least should have been better prepared. Course, one was, appairantly, as no kids were killed in/at it.

I see either 2 of possible scenarios. Either people couldn't believe it could happen again, OR they didn't get adequate warning. Your pick.

coolrunnin · #10 05/21/13, 08:54 AM

The mayor of Moore said they had warning of the possibility back to sunday evening, they had 16 minutes of actual warning I really don't kniow how you could get more considering it;s a tornado, news this morning said the kids in the elementary school drowned from water getting into where they were not from the tornado damage.

But I am pretty bad about not heeding the warnings myself so I am sure there are many others that don;t either.

Maura · #11 05/21/13, 08:56 AM

My kindergarden school had an air raid shelter. This is where we went during a tornado alert. It was basically a small basement under the school. If flooding is a problem in such a place, then design for it.

braggscowboy · #12 05/21/13, 09:52 AM

I taught school for 30 years in a large concrete block bldg. No way to protect kids, they would put us in the hall and tell us were safe. A bldg. the size of a school is not safe in any way. Just a place to get many. All schools being built where there are storms should have a multipurpose room, such as a cafeteria that is poured concrete walls and roof, expensive yes, but lives could be saved. Not going to second guess what I hear or see on TV, because I don't know. I know from what I have seen the teachers again, were heroes trying to save their kids. Love me some teachers! I saw the count on yahoo had been reduced, but do not know that to be true.

ErinP · #13 05/21/13, 10:08 AM

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I taught school for 30 years in a large concrete block bldg. No way to protect kids, they would put us in the hall and tell us were safe.

Every school I've ever attended/worked in puts kids in the interior hall way. A couple have been split-level type basements.
Tuck and duck.

The vast majority of tornado damage is done by flying debris, so statistically speaking, this is probably the best way to protect kids. But there is very little that will survive a direct hit by an E4 or E5 tornado.
There's a reason we saw the round, however-many-inches thick poured concrete grain silos in Joplin, MO and not much else.

But 99.99% of children in Tornado Alley will never be in a tornado during a school day, anyway...

am1too · #14 05/21/13, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by FarmboyBill

What gets me, is there constantly saying how prepared they are at weather forecasting. All the specialized equipment, 2 helocopters in the air which is supposed to be the only state in the onion to have 2, AND YET, they still cant give warning enough ahead of a storm to keep a catsastrophy like Moore from happening.
Secondly. Moore was hit bad before. How often does this have to happen to a town that they are prepared for an early alert warning system.

Their are lots more storm shelters in Moore than before because of the last bad tornado. Building codes have changed too.

am1too · #15 05/21/13, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Dave

Loss of life this am is 90. I do not know how many at the elementary school. I woke with a heavy heart. Storm passed over last night about 9p. The pressure changed and the cats went wild. Tornado passed over and didn't touch down. Temp dropped. You could feel it. People are still without power in the area. To give you an Idea. I am three hours from MOORE Ok.

I think I heard the storm debree was scattered 90 miles. I'm going whoa.

luvrulz · #16 05/21/13, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by FarmboyBill

What gets me, is there constantly saying how prepared they are at weather forecasting. All the specialized equipment, 2 helocopters in the air which is supposed to be the only state in the onion to have 2, AND YET, they still cant give warning enough ahead of a storm to keep a catsastrophy like Moore from happening.
Secondly. Moore was hit bad before. How often does this have to happen to a town that they are prepared for an early alert warning system.

Frankly, if you live in a state where these devastating tornadoes occur; and you don't have an underground room - you still wouldn't survive, based on what the storm chaser just said on CNN. I live in southern Ky and have one. And we've only had one F5 since 1950. That's the only strong defense you can take against a storm of this magnitude.

Country Wench · #17 05/21/13, 12:02 PM

Just to weigh in..... we were blessed enough to just be missed by the sunday tornado - it passed just south of us by 1 of the major east-west streets (149th) by about 2.5 miles and took out a friends ranch (house standing and family ok though) just over the county line. Yesterdays that took out Moore was going to be on a colision path for us if it hadn't roped out when it did. I was expecting to lose my house and animals yesterday. With the wind speeds of yesterday's combined with the width of the funnel plus the debris ball - there wasn't a lot anyone could do. The coverage of it was great actually -- I was watching from when the winds first startig swirling and the newsfolks were all over it. There was a definite difference in the speed of formation between sundays and yesterdays. It went from 0-5 incredibly fast ! Please pray for everyone impacted by this series of tornadoes.... it really is horrible... especially the children
-Colleen-

FarmboyBill · #18 05/21/13, 12:57 PM

amone2 U say theres a lot more storm cellers in Moore than in 99, and building codes have gone up. Shouldn't that reflect in lives SAVED, rather than in the amount of lives that were actually lost.
I heard someone say that lots of people took the warnings casually as they thought it couldn't happen again, OR they wernt in Moore when the first one came through, and thought it couldn't happen to them at all.

I imagine that underground separate cellers on all 4 sides of schools there if possible will be built now.

grandma12703 · #19 05/21/13, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by AngieM2

They had a warning system. They had a plan in Moore - they kept the kids in the schools so they would not be on the road during this tornado passing.... BUT, for all the well thought out warnings and plans - some tornados are bigger than what is planned for.

This one, from the looks, wiped the path clean. Not just damaged greatly the buildings, but wiped it clean -

And for being underground to be safe, 7 of those children that died were underground, and drown in the water that came into whatever they were hiding in.

This is just plain horrible.

They said in a press conference that there was not underground. They said a wall fell on the kids is what they are pretty sure happened. Don't know for sure but it just made it even worse to think they drown.

Buffy in Dallas · #20 05/21/13, 05:16 PM

I just can't believe that a school in Oklahoma would not have a tornado shelter for the kids. That would be like building a school on the San Andreas fault and not making it earthquake resistant. That's just down right negligent!