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04/05/13, 08:26 PM
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Without stepping on toes...
I wish folks would use the term fodder in its traditional sense, meaning stalks and leaves of sorghum and corn, or straw from small grains; brush fodder which is small branches with all the leaves attached, and things like bean and pea stalks and leaves, etc. Sprouted grains and grasses are just that, sprouts... maybe it could be called forage, but it's hardly the dry, leftover rough feeds that constitute fodder...
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04/05/13, 08:38 PM
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Sometimes I need to read all the context clues to figure out what we are talking about too!
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04/05/13, 10:02 PM
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I found this on Fodder. Looks like there is different types of Fodder.
""""Fodder is food used to raise livestock. More than half of all agricultural land is used to produce fodder. Fodder is an agricultural term for animal feed, and fooder crops are those plants that are raised to feed livestock.
Grains
Common grain crops that are grown for fodder include corn, oats, millet, barley, sorghum, wheat and soybeans. Some of these crops, such as corn and wheat, are obviously also grown for human comsumption.
Forage
Forage is fodder crop that is grown (or encouraged, such as grass) for grazing animals. Immature grain crops, grasses and legumes, including alfalfa, are common forage.
Silage
Silage is fermented grass and other crops that are fed to ruminants, such as cattle and sheep. Silage grasses (hay and straw, for example) are cut and stored for future consumption, such as winter feed.
Pasture
Even if the grass is not cultivated, the grasslands, or pasture is known as a fodder crop. Pasture is land set aside for free-range grazing animals, such as cattle and sheep."""
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04/06/13, 07:55 AM
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Definitions often depend on where you're from. What you're describing - chopped stems of sorgum.....we called silage. I'd never heard of 'fodder' except in today's definition of sprouting grains for animals. Language changes like many other things. If you want to discuss topics, it's best to use the terms those doing the research are using - move along with the language, so to speak. Moving to different locations in the country have taught me this. If you want to be easily understood, it's best to adapt to the language those around you use.
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04/06/13, 08:18 AM
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Fodder is food used to raise livestock.
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This is how I have always known and used the word. "What are you using for fodder?" a person might say, or "you've got them porkers on some good fodder"
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04/06/13, 08:58 AM
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My grandmother jokingly called lunch - fodder.
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04/06/13, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Callieslamb
If you want to discuss topics, it's best to use the terms those doing the research are using - move along with the language, so to speak. Moving to different locations in the country have taught me this. If you want to be easily understood, it's best to adapt to the language those around you use.
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Yes, excellent point. It's amazing how language can change even from county to county, or within a single county. This is especially true in areas where there are multi-generational families residing. It makes life interesting.
A couple of minor examples from recent conversations.
What some folks call poultry netting is called Chick Wire here, and has been called that for generations. I used the term poultry netting and they looked at me like I had a third eye.
Someone mentioned that I needed to replace the 'Swipes' on my truck one day while we were standing around shooting the breeze. Turns out Swipes are wiper blades.
"There sure is a lot of 'Old Maids' in this batch"... Unpopped popcorn after making batch of popcorn.
There is also a term they use for a vehicle with one burnt out headlight but it slips my mind right now.
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04/06/13, 10:35 AM
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There is also a term they use for a vehicle with one burnt out headlight but it slips my mind right now.
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04/06/13, 12:10 PM
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04/06/13, 01:43 PM
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There is also a term they use for a vehicle with one burnt out headlight but it slips my mind right now.
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04/06/13, 02:56 PM
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"There sure is a lot of 'Old Maids' in this batch"... Unpopped ....
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04/06/13, 02:59 PM
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That's exactly what I thought when the person made this statement.
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04/06/13, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Wayne02
Yes, excellent point. It's amazing how language can change even from county to county, or within a single county. This is especially true in areas where there are multi-generational families residing. It makes life interesting.
A couple of minor examples from recent conversations.
What some folks call poultry netting is called Chick Wire here, and has been called that for generations. I used the term poultry netting and they looked at me like I had a third eye.
Someone mentioned that I needed to replace the 'Swipes' on my truck one day while we were standing around shooting the breeze. Turns out Swipes are wiper blades.
"There sure is a lot of 'Old Maids' in this batch"... Unpopped popcorn after making batch of popcorn.
There is also a term they use for a vehicle with one burnt out headlight but it slips my mind right now.
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I asked the local extension agent what he recommended for a green manure. He looked at me like his answer was going to be sick cows. I quickly translated to "cover crops". Hey, he works for the local Ag University and they use green manure in their lit so I thought I was speaking his language.
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04/06/13, 04:53 PM
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Fodder in the south means corn stalks or other coarse roughage that is cut, dried, and stored for the winter, then fed to the livestock.
Has nothing to do with sprouting anything.
I understand that people need to move along with the times, but I also think that if you say "silage" down here, we will look at you like youse is krazy..lol..
not too much silage except for dairy cattle farms and unfortunately not too many of them down here anymore, gov. done bought most of them out. In my county in Ga. there used to be six dairies. Now there is one. And it is a holstein dairy, not a jersey dairy (butter/cream).
so I reckon it depends on where y'all are from as to what is fodder and what is not..
and what is silage and what is not..
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04/07/13, 04:35 AM
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Fodder has always meant old corn stalks put away for the cows to chew on for winter.
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04/07/13, 07:08 AM
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What many of you call fodder, corn/sorghum stalks, we've always called stover.
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04/07/13, 05:23 PM
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No one ever uses the term fodder in these parts, but I would have equated it to roughage, which tends to be the dry cornstalks, and other low energy, 'waste' type of feeds typically fed to the critters with 4 stomachs. Roughage, or stover, or very very rarely called fodder around here.
Whatever is common in your local area is fine with me, I understand the regional differences in language.
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04/07/13, 06:20 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rambler
No one ever uses the term fodder in these parts, but I would have equated it to roughage, which tends to be the dry cornstalks, and other low energy, 'waste' type of feeds typically fed to the critters with 4 stomachs. Roughage, or stover, or very very rarely called fodder around here.
Whatever is common in your local area is fine with me, I understand the regional differences in language.
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And in keeping within the spirit of that definition, "cannon fodder" are the poorly trained, too young or too old troops you send to the front to be a target/distraction/dead meat while the higher value, better trained and equipped troops attempt to flank the enemy in relative safety.
Saddam used a similar tactic where the cannon fodder served as an enemy location device and then the republican guards were supposed to rush in and crush the enemy. It worked against Kuwait and Iran, but not so well against the US.
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04/07/13, 06:56 PM
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How to grow fodder:
http://grannysbest.blogspot.com/
(Not my blog)
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