Different raw milk thread

[TRAILRIDER]

I didn't want to hi-jack digapony's raw milk thread : )

But I had an interesting Dr's appt yesterday. I have actually had two such appointments in the last two years. At the Dr. I mentioned that I felt wonderful! Have energy, work hard, get up at 4:30 go to bed at 10:00 every night and am asleep in 5 minutes. I have had two colds in the past 2 yrs that lasted about 3 days. I haven't had a cold sore in 2 yrs either. And as I've mentioned before, I no longer have arthritis pain in my hands (it was minor to start with.)
Plus my cholesterol is way down, BP down, everything a-okay. And do you know what changed two years ago?

I got dairy goats : ) Started drinking raw milk, eating yogurt made from it too. I'm probably more active as well because of the goats. And much less stress in my life too. So that's my take on raw milk.

[haypoint]

Lifestyle changes are sometimes wonderful for your health. The contentment from keeping up a farm is great stress reliever. I never heard of a farmer that had insomnia, either.
Some say it is the fresh air, others the physical activity. If you want to believe it is the goat's milk, who am I to question it?

Always best to stay away from the 4 C's. Coke, chips, cable and cookies.

[TRAILRIDER]

Never heard of the four c's. But I do happen to stay away from them (unless its a special occasion and I bake the cookies myself!)

[Ross]

Hmmm I'm pretty much the same and while I have had raw.milk in the past I wouldnt drink it today and haven't in a long time. I don't have a thing I can say works and others might try except eating better and a lot less sugar ......maybe.

[TRAILRIDER]

This is the first time any doctor has told me "Your weight hasn't changed in 10 years, you eat a healthy diet and stay active, I see no reason for you to worry about losing weight." Really? I am a bit overweight, but strong as a horse : )
I've lived on this farm and eaten this way for years, but not until I had dairy goats did my immune system kick butt like this and not until I had dairy goats did my arthritis improve. I can't say enough about raw goats milk.

[haypoint]

I had an old friend once tell me, " You'll rust out before you'll wear out." I think your activity level and arthritis remission is proof of that. Glad to hear you aren't rusting out. Doesn't really matter if it is the goat's milk or the new found reason to get out of bed each morning.

[Tabitha]

Interesting, I have heard before that goat milk has a positive effect on arthritis. No way to prove it. Maybe someone else got the same benefit?

[Heritagefarm]

I believe the anti raw milk stuff when it actually makes me sick. In the meantime, however, I will stay away from anyone who doesn't use a chiller. "Let's unplug the chilling vat!" Hrmmm.... I'll advice others to stay away from people like that.

[haypoint]

"I believe the anti raw milk stuff when it actually makes me sick."
That is a bit like Magic Johnson's view on STD.

[Heritagefarm]

Right. So hundreds if not thousands drinking raw milk, and not getting sick, and many reporting health benefits, doesn't prove a thing.

[haypoint]

Originally Posted by Heritagefarm

Right. So hundreds if not thousands drinking raw milk, and not getting sick, and many reporting health benefits, doesn't prove a thing.

http://www.fda.gov/Food/ResourcesForYou/consumers/ucm079516.htm
“According to an analysis by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), between 1993 and 2006 more than 1500 people in the United States became sick from drinking raw milk or eating cheese made from raw milk. In addition, CDC reported that unpasteurized milk is 150 times more likely to cause foodborne illness and results in 13 times more hospitalizations than illnesses involving pasteurized dairy products.”

[Buckhuntr]

Originally Posted by haypoint

http://www.fda.gov/Food/ResourcesForYou/consumers/ucm079516.htm
“According to an analysis by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), between 1993 and 2006 more than 1500 people in the United States became sick from drinking raw milk or eating cheese made from raw milk. In addition, CDC reported that unpasteurized milk is 150 times more likely to cause foodborne illness and results in 13 times more hospitalizations than illnesses involving pasteurized dairy products.”

So that's what, maybe 110 people a year out of a population of over 300 million? Probably more people than that die from eating too fast and sucking a french fry down their windpipes.

[haypoint]

Originally Posted by Buckhuntr

So that's what, maybe 110 people a year out of a population of over 300 million? Probably more people than that die from eating too fast and sucking a french fry down their windpipes.

Why would you use the population, since only a small number drink raw milk? But really, the number doesn't matter to the mother that fed tainted raw milk to her now sick baby. When you are sickened, it suddenly becomes 100%.

Getting sick from raw milk is a bit like inhaling a French fry. Happens more than we know and seldom gets reported.

[KrisD]

Hay point may I suggest people just not eat then? How many people got sick from tainted peanut butter, spinach, cantaloupe, etc not including those that get sick from eating meat and not washing the cutting board, or getting salmonella from eating eggs. I'll take my chances from drinking raw milk that I KNOW has been handled correctly.

[KrisD]

And actually the estimate is more like a million + Americans drink raw milk every year. So not that small of a number.

[Buckhuntr]

There are risks in everything we eat and drink. It is impossible to make everything 100% safe for 100% of the population. Some risks are more tolerable than others - there are health benefits in raw milk and cheese that are lessened or eliminated by pasturization, but ultimately every individual has the responsibility to make those decisions for themselves, and the government should only get involved to correct abuse by industry, of if there is great compelling evidence that something needs to be regulated. I personally do not believe consumption of raw milk is a great enough risk that it should be proscribed for those who are willing to take that risk. After all, up until the past half-century or so, most Americans (outside of urban areas, anyway) drank raw milk or no milk at all, and survived quite well.

[Heritagefarm]

Originally Posted by haypoint

http://www.fda.gov/Food/ResourcesForYou/consumers/ucm079516.htm
“According to an analysis by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), between 1993 and 2006 more than 1500 people in the United States became sick from drinking raw milk or eating cheese made from raw milk. In addition, CDC reported that unpasteurized milk is 150 times more likely to cause foodborne illness and results in 13 times more hospitalizations than illnesses involving pasteurized dairy products.”

Quoting a government website in this forum is a lot like quoting a Natural News article on a science forum.

Originally Posted by haypoint

Why would you use the population, since only a small number drink raw milk? But really, the number doesn't matter to the mother that fed tainted raw milk to her now sick baby. When you are sickened, it suddenly becomes 100%.

Getting sick from raw milk is a bit like inhaling a French fry. Happens more than we know and seldom gets reported.

Yet we cannot deny that there is a noteable difference between raw milk and a french fry. One will cause cancer later on in life, the other will not. One will not kill you immediately, the other can if, in a very rare instance, it is contaminated from bad handling.

[arabian knight]

Originally Posted by haypoint

Why would you use the population, since only a small number drink raw milk? But really, the number doesn't matter to the mother that fed tainted raw milk to her now sick baby. When you are sickened, it suddenly becomes 100%.

Getting sick from raw milk is a bit like inhaling a French fry. Happens more than we know and seldom gets reported.

You bet that is what I posted about also. Many I bet that have gotten sick never put the blame to raw milk, just a sickness, period.

[haypoint]

Originally Posted by Heritagefarm

Quoting a government website in this forum is a lot like quoting a Natural News article on a science forum.



Yet we cannot deny that there is a noteable difference between raw milk and a french fry. One will cause cancer later on in life, the other will not. One will not kill you immediately, the other can if, in a very rare instance, it is contaminated from bad handling.

Well, at least we agree about Natural news.
I used that site because they are the repository for such data.
Now we are into a discussion comparing the nutritional benefits between raw milk and a French fry? I never thought food dipped into scalding hot lard was diet food, but are you stating French fries will cause cancer? Do tell.

While a segment of tainted raw milk is the fault of improper handling. This can be improperly cleaned udders, lack of a closed system, failure to properly filter, failure to immediately chill the milk, improperly cleaned bulk tank or unsanitary bottling processes and temperature shifts in transport. But healthy looking cows, eating healthy looking feed, housed in clean looking environments still put disease bacteria into the milk.
Generally, strict sanitation protocol keeps the existing disease bacteria numbers at a level that the consumer can ingest, kill off the disease bacteria without contracting a disease or succumbing to the bacterial load. That "level" is different for different people and changes from time to time individually. Some will argue that such bacterial loads make them stronger, while others insist that repeated attacks on your immune system are harmful.

[PrettyPaisley]

Originally Posted by KrisD

And actually the estimate is more like a million + Americans drink raw milk every year. So not that small of a number.

Just wait til Monsanto figures out a way to get raw milk from their soybeans. I'm sure there will be plenty of raving fans around here !