GMO Studies

[billooo2]

If this was covered in another thread....then I missed it.....

Where are all the studies published that show GMO to be safe???

As far as I know, the 3 most respected research journals are:
1....JAMA (Journal of the American Medical Association)
2....New England Journal of Medicine
3....British Lancet.


Is it because the studies were NOT done by independent (unbiased) organizations???? Were they 'peer reviewed???' Were the
peer reviewers qualified, indipendent, etc????
How were the test subjects selected???? How large was the sample???
Was the sample a truly statiscally valid 'random' sample?? How long were
the studies conducted??? (I heard one Monsanto spokesperson say that some of their studies are only run for 3 months!!!!! )

Where is a list of all these publications?????

I would think that if GMO's are taking over our food, then we should have a plethora of published studies......so it, IMO, should be a VERY LONG list of publications!!!!!

[haypoint]

While I doubt the honesty of Mother Jones, they did mention New England Journal of Medicine.
http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2010/09/genetically-engineered-salmon-allergies
Seems obvious New England Journal of Medicine has studied GMO, but only notable comments are possible allergic reaction to soybeans with Brazil nut DNA. NEJM gets mentioned in several anti-GMO web sites, but always in relation to this obscure Brazil nut allergy.
Even the pro-Organic web site, Greatlist:
http://greatist.com/health/are-genetically-modified-foods-dangerous-042512/#
admits:
Many studies suggest no adverse side effects, and no studies have explicitly shown that genetically modified foods are less safe than their conventional equivalents.This article has been approved by Greatist experts Dr. Doug Kalman and Aaron Mauck.
Originally posted April 2012. Updated September 2012 by Shana Lebowitz.
Here is a web site that has a bunch of frequently asked questions. It may answer your concerns:
http://www.fooddialogues.com/foodsource/topics/biotech-seeds?gclid=COTo85jdv7QCFQ0GnQodwm8AHQ

[billooo2]

[QUOTE=haypoint;6349391]While I doubt the honesty of Mother Jones, they did mention New England Journal of Medicine.
http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2010/09/genetically-engineered-salmon-allergies
Seems obvious New England Journal of Medicine has studied GMO, but only notable comments are possible allergic reaction to soybeans with Brazil nut DNA. NEJM gets mentioned in several anti-GMO web sites, but always in relation to this obscure Brazil nut allergy.
Even the pro-Organic web site, Greatlist:
http://greatist.com/health/are-genetically-modified-foods-dangerous-042512/#
admits:
Many studies suggest no adverse side effects, and no studies have explicitly shown that genetically modified foods are less safe than their conventional equivalents.This article has been approved by Greatist experts Dr. Doug Kalman and Aaron Mauck.
Originally posted April 2012. Updated September 2012 by Shana Lebowitz.
Here is a web site that has a bunch of frequently asked questions. It may answer your concerns:
http://www.fooddialogues.com/foodsou...FQ0GnQodwm8AHQ[/QUOTE


Thank you!!!......but is that the only sources????......to have credibility, there should be a VERY LONG list......many of which would be documewnting 'repeatibility.'

You mentioned the New England Journal of Medicine as doing a study. If you were actually familiar with those journals, you would know that they do not acrtually do the studies themselves....they only publish studies.

[haypoint]

[quote=billooo2;6349422]

Originally Posted by haypoint

While I doubt the honesty of Mother Jones, they did mention New England Journal of Medicine.
http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2010/09/genetically-engineered-salmon-allergies
Seems obvious New England Journal of Medicine has studied GMO, but only notable comments are possible allergic reaction to soybeans with Brazil nut DNA. NEJM gets mentioned in several anti-GMO web sites, but always in relation to this obscure Brazil nut allergy.
Even the pro-Organic web site, Greatlist:
http://greatist.com/health/are-genetically-modified-foods-dangerous-042512/#
admits:
Many studies suggest no adverse side effects, and no studies have explicitly shown that genetically modified foods are less safe than their conventional equivalents.This article has been approved by Greatist experts Dr. Doug Kalman and Aaron Mauck.
Originally posted April 2012. Updated September 2012 by Shana Lebowitz.
Here is a web site that has a bunch of frequently asked questions. It may answer your concerns:
http://www.fooddialogues.com/foodsou...FQ0GnQodwm8AHQ[/QUOTE


Thank you!!!......but is that the only sources????......to have credibility, there should be a VERY LONG list......many of which would be documewnting 'repeatibility.'

You mentioned the New England Journal of Medicine as doing a study. If you were actually familiar with those journals, you would know that they do not acrtually do the studies themselves....they only publish studies.

I simply googled the places you listed. Mother Jones (often very slanted) stated, : " Indeed, a 1996 study published in the New England Journal of Medicine found that people who were allergic to Brazil nuts were also allergic to soy beans that had been implanted with a Brazil nut protein."
I guess I failed to see the difference between publishing a study and publishing a study they did.

[billooo2]

[quote=haypoint;6349483]

Originally Posted by billooo2

I simply googled the places you listed. Mother Jones (often very slanted) stated, : " Indeed, a 1996 study published in the New England Journal of Medicine found that people who were allergic to Brazil nuts were also allergic to soy beans that had been implanted with a Brazil nut protein."
I guess I failed to see the difference between publishing a study and publishing a study they did.

Perhaps I was not clear enough.....those journals do NOT DO the studies themselves!!!! (you just demonstrated your lack of knowledge about those journals)

Those journals are respected because they try to screen studies before publishing them......hence my questions about the studies.

It seems to say a lot to me that there are not dozens of studies published in respected journals.

[arabian knight]

Oh wow yet another slanted story and thread about this. . I knew it was good to buy some more Orville Redenbacher Microwave popcorn all laced with this evil stuff, oh my I sure hope it doesn't shorten my life by 15 minutes.

[haypoint]

http://www.examiner.com/article/new-...not-scientific

http://www.voxxi.com/monsanto-corn-health-risks/

[Steve L.]

Originally Posted by billooo2

If this was covered in another thread....then I missed it.....

Where are all the studies published that show GMO to be safe???

As far as I know, the 3 most respected research journals are:
1....JAMA (Journal of the American Medical Association)
2....New England Journal of Medicine
3....British Lancet.


Is it because the studies were NOT done by independent (unbiased) organizations???? Were they 'peer reviewed???' Were the
peer reviewers qualified, indipendent, etc????
How were the test subjects selected???? How large was the sample???
Was the sample a truly statiscally valid 'random' sample?? How long were
the studies conducted??? (I heard one Monsanto spokesperson say that some of their studies are only run for 3 months!!!!! )

Where is a list of all these publications?????

I would think that if GMO's are taking over our food, then we should have a plethora of published studies......so it, IMO, be a VERY LONG list of publications!!!!!

I did a Google search for {peer reviewed scientific papers on gmos site:.edu}.

https://camcom.ngu.edu/Science/biolo...y%20Review.PDF
Table 5 (Food Allergy Research Projects That Meet the Inclusion Criteria) on page 25

I got this link from Monsanto's website -
http://cera-gmc.org/index.php?action...raphy_database

Searched - key word + corn, got 453 papers listed
http://cera-gmc.org/index.php?source...raphy_database

Result 1 of 453
Title: Safety assessment of insect-protected corn
Author(s): Sanders P;Lee T;Groth M;Astwood J;Fuchs R;
Source: In: "Biotechnology and Safety Assessment". Chapter: 10 pp. 241-241 Taylor & Francis Group.(1998)
Publisher: Taylor & Francis Group

Finding this info isn't hard, but you need to use the 'right' search terms.

[billooo2]

Originally Posted by arabian knight

Oh wow yet another slanted story and thread about this. . I knew it was good to buy some more Orville Redenbacher Microwave popcorn all laced with this evil stuff, oh my I sure hope it doesn't shorten my life by 15 minutes.

Slanted?????......this was meant as a thread for the GMO proponents to post links to the "hundreds" of studies demonstrating the safety of GMO products.

Are you able to help us out????.....should be dozens of published studies in journals.

[billooo2]

[QUOTE=Steve L.;6349751]I did a Google search for {peer reviewed scientific papers on gmos site:.edu}.

https://camcom.ngu.edu/Science/biolo...y%20Review.PDF
Table 5 (Food Allergy Research Projects That Meet the Inclusion Criteria) on page 25

I got this link from Monsanto's website -
http://cera-gmc.org/index.php?action...raphy_database

Searched - key word + corn, got 453 papers listed
http://cera-gmc.org/index.php?source...raphy_database

Finding this info isn't hard, but you need to use the 'right' search terms.[/QUOTE

You first link only addresses food allergies......and it states that the research is NOT adequate to say whether or not it is safe.....

You second link is not a study of any kind.....it appears to be an opinion piece with references to other sources.

Your third link (I did not look at all 400+).....is interesting......does not actually link to any studies.......and I did not see any titles that actually addressed "safety" issues....?????? And, when they listed authors, they did not identify what company/organization they are employed by.....they failed to identify who funded the studies.

VERY interesting.......IMO, seems to raise more and more questions.....and I did not see any of the most respected journals mentioned

[steff bugielski]

You know the same group of lawyers works for Monsanto as did the tobacco industry
"cigarettes are safe"

[jwal10]

Originally Posted by billooo2

Slanted?????......this was meant as a thread for the GMO proponents to post links to the "hundreds" of studies demonstrating the safety of GMO products.

Are you able to help us out????.....should be dozens of published studies in journals.

You want them you find them yourself. You want someone else (the oposite side from your views)to do your legwork so you can then tell them that isn't good enough. I think you just want to stir the pot. Do your own research, make your decisions and move on....James

[jwal10]

Originally Posted by steff bugielski

You know the same group of lawyers works for Monsanto as did the tobacco industry
"cigarettes are safe"

I don't know any such thing. Link please. Where did you get this information....James

[billooo2]

Originally Posted by jwal10

You want them you find them yourself. You want someone else (the oposite side from your views)to do your legwork so you can then tell them that isn't good enough. I think you just want to stir the pot. Do your own research, make your decisions and move on....James

My conclusion, so far, is that there is insufficient research.

But the proponrnts of GMO insist that 'hundreds' of studies have proven GMO's to be safe.

The proponents made the claims......I simply ask where the studies are.

I am wrong because I asked for them to substantiate their claims??

Where are all these studies?????....is someone hiding them?????....is it possible that all of them were 'in-house studies' (done by Monsanto)???....I have only asked elementary questions that should
be asked when looking at ANY study......

Where are all these studies?????

[J.T.M.]

Originally Posted by jwal10

You want them you find them yourself. You want someone else (the oposite side from your views)to do your legwork so you can then tell them that isn't good enough. I think you just want to stir the pot. Do your own research, make your decisions and move on....James

Originally Posted by jwal10

I don't know any such thing. Link please. Where did you get this information....James

~ blush ~

[CaliannG]

billooo2, The only independent, peer reviewed study I have found on the safety of GMO is the allergen study that has already been linked above.

One of the French Universities has recently released an independent study, but it has not yet been peer-reviewed.

Except for the allergen study, there are no independent, peer-reviewed studies on the safety of GMOs.

If any one on EITHER side of this debate states that there are independent, peer-reviewed studies that have concluded that any GMO product is either safe or unsafe, they are mistaken.

It seems to me that there are people on BOTH sides of this debate that are immune to the charms of Scientific Method.

The truth is that, as of this time, there are NO independent, peer-reviewed studies on the long-term impact, safety, or side-effects of any GMO product. Anyone who says that science has found these products safe or unsafe is either mistaken or lying.

And no one seems to be willing to make the admission of, "We don't know yet."

[salmonslayer]

There are plenty of studies Billboo but it doesnt matter what is posted it will be derided by the anti GMO crowd as an evil Monsanto funded con job if its for GMOs or it will be seen as just another uneducated moonbeam propaganda piece designed to inflame emotions by the pro GMO crowd.

There have been over 100 independent peer reviewed studies on the whole issue of GMO safety coming from many countries, varying Universities,, Science Academies, food safety organizations etc. and about an equal number of studies from various sources that say something different. If your actually interested in learning you might try organizations like the National Academy of Sciences or the Royal Society of Medicine who actually present a fairly balanced and rational conclusion that though not everything is known the compelling evidence does not show ill effects to human consumption of GMOs..The science direct link has a review of 100 independent studies showing no known adverse health effects from GMO crops in human consumption from all over the world. Keep in mind GMOs have only been around for 14 years and no study will say anything is completely safe. You can die from drinking too much water and 50 years down the road who knows?

http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=10977#toc

http://jrsm.rsmjournals.com/content/101/6/290.abstract

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...78691511006399

On the other side of the coin, if you want a green perspective that is fairly well balanced and scientifically based you might try:greenfacts.org. which to me makes a compelling argument about caution, environmental concerns and labeling.

http://www.greenfacts.org/en/gmo/3-g...-labelling.htm

Two different views of GMOs but a lot closer to reason than the norm on both sides.

[Bearfootfarm]

My conclusion, so far, is that there is insufficient research.

But the proponrnts of GMO insist that 'hundreds' of studies have proven GMO's to be safe.

Show us ONE quote where anyone other than you REALLY said that

[||Downhome||]

Originally Posted by jwal10;6350376[B

]You want them you find them yourself. [/B]You want someone else (the oposite side from your views)to do your legwork so you can then tell them that isn't good enough. I think you just want to stir the pot. Do your own research, make your decisions and move on....James

Originally Posted by jwal10;6350383[B

]I don't know any such thing. Link please. Where did you get this information....James[/B]

Well if thats not funny I'm not sure what is?
But I have it on good Authority if you want it find it yourself.

In all Honesty I really do not think there where enough studies and more so unbiased study's done.

Science is GREAT Unfortunately we move a little faster then we should.
History is fool of Advancements that where fraught with danger.
We are moving at a great clip with things and very little in the way of long term knowledge in many of these fields.
Even today we constantly have reversal of views on things that we do have long term knowledge on.
On a regular basis even.

[billooo2]

Originally Posted by salmonslayer

There are plenty of studies Billboo but it doesnt matter what is posted it will be derided by the anti GMO crowd as an evil Monsanto funded con job if its for GMOs or it will be seen as just another uneducated moonbeam propaganda piece designed to inflame emotions by the pro GMO crowd.

There have been over 100 independent peer reviewed studies on the whole issue of GMO safety coming from many countries, varying Universities,, Science Academies, food safety organizations etc. and about an equal number of studies from various sources that say something different. If your actually interested in learning you might try organizations like the National Academy of Sciences or the Royal Society of Medicine who actually present a fairly balanced and rational conclusion that though not everything is known the compelling evidence does not show ill effects to human consumption of GMOs..The science direct link has a review of 100 independent studies showing no known adverse health effects from GMO crops in human consumption from all over the world. Keep in mind GMOs have only been around for 14 years and no study will say anything is completely safe. You can die from drinking too much water and 50 years down the road who knows?

http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=10977#toc

http://jrsm.rsmjournals.com/content/101/6/290.abstract

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...78691511006399

On the other side of the coin, if you want a green perspective that is fairly well balanced and scientifically based you might try:greenfacts.org. which to me makes a compelling argument about caution, environmental concerns and labeling.

http://www.greenfacts.org/en/gmo/3-g...-labelling.htm

Two different views of GMOs but a lot closer to reason than the norm on both sides.

Thank you.

My computer is not cooperating this morning......it will not open the links.

Your information seems to be at odds with another poster about only one peer reviewed study.

I find it extremely interesting that none of the most respected journals are mentioned in your post.

I also find it interesting that you mention studiies being done all around the world........and there are so many countries that have banned GMO's.

I will try the links again later......maybe my computer will be in a be in a better mood...