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12/27/12, 07:24 AM
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Monsanto and my opinions/impressions
To avoid hijacking the other threads......
I do not have my own research facility, so I have no personal evidence to support either side. However, I do have some thoughts.....
1. Isn't Monsanto the company that said that Agent Orange was perfectly safe for our soldiers to handle????
Does anyone think that I am stupid enough to believe that same company when they tell me that a product is safe today??? 
2. Monsanto recently said that some of their "testing" was only done for 3 months. Having spent my career in the medical field.....I know that when the average person starts smoking 1 pack/day, it takes 20 years before damage can be seen by x-ray or pulmonary function testing.
Therefore, if the Monsanto protocol were used for 3 months.....it would "prove" that smoking is perfectly safe!!!
3. At the r-bst hearings in Ohio, I met several representative and executives from Monsanto. The biggest impression that they made on me.......they could not have cared less whether their products are safe or not!!!!!........AS LONG AS they do not think that the adverse effects could be traced directly to their product........because if that were traceable to their product, then they would face HUGE financial liability!!!
Does anyone think that I am stupid enough to take their word that something is safe???
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12/27/12, 07:55 AM
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12/27/12, 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by billooo2
To avoid hijacking the other threads......
I do not have my own research facility, so I have no personal evidence to support either side. However, I do have some thoughts.....
1. Isn't Monsanto the company that said that Agent Orange was perfectly safe for our soldiers to handle????
Does anyone think that I am stupid enough to believe that same company when they tell me that a product is safe today???
2. Monsanto recently said that some of their "testing" was only done for 3 months. Having spent my career in the medical field.....I know that when the average person starts smoking 1 pack/day, it takes 20 years before damage can be seen by x-ray or pulmonary function testing.
Therefore, if the Monsanto protocol were used for 3 months.....it would "prove" that smoking is perfectly safe!!!
3. At the r-bst hearings in Ohio, I met several representative and executives from Monsanto. The biggest impression that they made on me.......they could not have cared less whether their products are safe or not!!!!!........AS LONG AS they do not think that the adverse effects could be traced directly to their product........because if that were traceable to their product, then they would face HUGE financial liability!!!
Does anyone think that I am stupid enough to take their word that something is safe??? |
1. Nope, that’s not true. Several companies made Agent Orange. Dow Chemical is one, I can’t recall the others. Agent Orange is 2,4,5 T and 2,4D and was safe. Still available in garden centers. The contaminate in the solution was dioxin, one of the most toxic chemical known to man. The contaminate wasn’t known at the time.
Do you refuse to buy products made of plastic or foam insulation because Dow also makes them?
2. Where is your information that GMO was tested for only 3 months?
3. No one wants to produce a product that causes damage. Conversly, no one wants blamed for stuff they didn’t do. If you sell seat belts, you don’t want blamed when a tire blows out. When rBGH treated cows show an increase in milk production and it is known that high producing cows have a higher incidents of mastitis, one can expect that farmers will need to carefully manage their herd. But rBGH doesn’t cause mastitis. Not fair to blame rBGH and important for the company that they don't get wrongfully blamed. When Viagra came out, guys taking it had a higher rate of heart attacks. First thought was that Viagra caused heart attacks. But after carefully researching facts, it was the increased activity, not the drug, that caused heart attacks. So, we always need to be careful before blaming any change on the product.
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12/27/12, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by haypoint
1. Nope, that’s not true. Several companies made Agent Orange. Dow Chemical is one, I can’t recall the others. Agent Orange is 2,4,5 T and 2,4D and was safe. Still available in garden centers. The contaminate in the solution was dioxin, one of the most toxic chemical known to man. The contaminate wasn’t known at the time.
Do you refuse to buy products made of plastic or foam insulation because Dow also makes them?
2. Where is your information that GMO was tested for only 3 months?
3. No one wants to produce a product that causes damage. Conversly, no one wants blamed for stuff they didn’t do. If you sell seat belts, you don’t want blamed when a tire blows out. When rBGH treated cows show an increase in milk production and it is known that high producing cows have a higher incidents of mastitis, one can expect that farmers will need to carefully manage their herd. But rBGH doesn’t cause mastitis. Not fair to blame rBGH and important for the company that they don't get wrongfully blamed. When Viagra came out, guys taking it had a higher rate of heart attacks. First thought was that Viagra caused heart attacks. But after carefully researching facts, it was the increased activity, not the drug, that caused heart attacks. So, we always need to be careful before blaming any change on the product.
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Are you saying that Monsanto never made Agent Orange????? Their employees never denied it. How is it that you would know more than their employees and executives???
The testing information was on the news (on the radio)......supposedly was a spokesperson for Monsanto........appatently trying to impress the public at how "wonderful" their testing process is. 
The key thing that you seem to be ignoring in the last paragraph ........"could be traced back to Monsanto"...... In the conversations that I had with them......they NEVER ONCE expressed ANY concern about the safety of any product......They only expressed concern about about whether or not they could be sued for it (traceable nack to Monsanto)
I am NOT saying that Monsanto creates products in order to harm people.....but they are not going to let potential harm get in the way of their profits.....as long as they don't think they can be sued.
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Last edited by billooo2; 12/27/12 at 03:34 PM.
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12/27/12, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by haypoint
1. Nope, that’s not true. Several companies made Agent Orange. Dow Chemical is one, I can’t recall the others. Agent Orange is 2,4,5 T and 2,4D and was safe. Still available in garden centers. The contaminate in the solution was dioxin, one of the most toxic chemical known to man. The contaminate wasn’t known at the time.
Do you refuse to buy products made of plastic or foam insulation because Dow also makes them?
2. Where is your information that GMO was tested for only 3 months?
3. No one wants to produce a product that causes damage. Conversly, no one wants blamed for stuff they didn’t do. If you sell seat belts, you don’t want blamed when a tire blows out. When rBGH treated cows show an increase in milk production and it is known that high producing cows have a higher incidents of mastitis, one can expect that farmers will need to carefully manage their herd. But rBGH doesn’t cause mastitis. Not fair to blame rBGH and important for the company that they don't get wrongfully blamed. When Viagra came out, guys taking it had a higher rate of heart attacks. First thought was that Viagra caused heart attacks. But after carefully researching facts, it was the increased activity, not the drug, that caused heart attacks. So, we always need to be careful before blaming any change on the product.
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Dow Chemical????????......are you trying to change the subject????....
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12/27/12, 07:44 PM
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2,4,5-T was taken off the market years ago because it was considered unsafe. It was more effective on woody plants and 2,4-D is effective on herbaceous plants
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12/27/12, 07:56 PM
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2-4-D is good stuff I use it around here quite often.
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12/27/12, 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by haypoint
The contaminate in the solution was dioxin, one of the most toxic chemical known to man. The contaminate wasn’t known at the time.
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Hmm gee golly Walley, you mean some thing may not be known to us?
or the potential and long reaching dangers or it!
Including GMO things and what ever...
Man walley I never knew... thanks!
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12/27/12, 08:28 PM
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By and by guys how much stock you carry in monsanto?
Very legit question!
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12/27/12, 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ||Downhome||
By and by guys how much stock you carry in monsanto?
Very legit question!
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That was exactly my thought but you beat me to posting it here on one of these GMO threads 
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12/27/12, 10:21 PM
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When Monsanto comes up with a substance that will EAT HOLES in a cows bones, I'm not too impressed. When Purdue feeds GMO wheat to 100 bred beef heifers, and FORTY SIX of them abort, I'm REALLY not impressed!
Russia has put a ban on importing corn from us now. Europe won't buy our GMO crops. If China did the same, you'd see some real changes.
I believe that the world marketplace will eventually force GMO's off the market. That will be a lot of tumors and dead people down the road, though. Best to raise as much as you can, trade for clean food, and buy organic wheat flour and corn meal.
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12/27/12, 10:24 PM
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Get ready, Judy. There is not GMO wheat on the market yet. I bet it was GMO corn/soy. Just a head's up before the attack. 
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12/27/12, 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Judy in IN
When Monsanto comes up with a substance that will EAT HOLES in a cows bones, I'm not too impressed. When Purdue feeds GMO wheat to 100 bred beef heifers, and FORTY SIX of them abort, I'm REALLY not impressed!
Russia has put a ban on importing corn from us now. Europe won't buy our GMO crops. If China did the same, you'd see some real changes.
I believe that the world marketplace will eventually force GMO's off the market. That will be a lot of tumors and dead people down the road, though. Best to raise as much as you can, trade for clean food, and buy organic wheat flour and corn meal.
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What is eating holes in cow bones? lol And where is purdue finding non-existent gm wheat exactly?
As far as buying your "organic" wheat flour, what if I told you it is not "organic" at all? Because the organic farmer, unable to fill his contract due to poor yields, tops up the load with his brothers or neighbors wheat???
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12/27/12, 10:36 PM
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Get ready, Judy. There is not GMO wheat on the market yet. I bet it was GMO corn/soy. Just a head's up before the attack. |
You are learning, Pretty Paisley!
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12/27/12, 10:54 PM
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http://farmandranchfreedom.org/gmo-miscarriages
I have a LOT more confidence in Dr. Huber than I do in a company with such dirty practices.
Just because GMO wheat has not been approved yet, does not mean it isn't being raised. Notice where it says wheatlege?
Last edited by Judy in IN; 12/27/12 at 10:56 PM.
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12/27/12, 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ||Downhome||
By and by guys how much stock you carry in monsanto?
Very legit question!
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Right now would be a good time to swap DuPont stock for Monsanto. Dupont's on the way down while Monsanto's almost at a 12-month high. Wouldn't be all that bad to have 100 shares in your portfolio.
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12/27/12, 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Judy in IN
http://farmandranchfreedom.org/gmo-miscarriages
I have a LOT more confidence in Dr. Huber than I do in a company with such dirty practices.
Just because GMO wheat has not been approved yet, does not mean it isn't being raised. Notice where it says wheatlege?
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What does the words
May Be Causing Mean????
That is NOT and never was any prove that Anything of the kind happened because of some non existent gmo wheat was ever used, just a Guess at best.
And besides the entire article was nothing but misinformation and full of no prove what so ever.
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12/27/12, 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Judy in IN
http://farmandranchfreedom.org/gmo-miscarriages
I have a LOT more confidence in Dr. Huber than I do in a company with such dirty practices.
Just because GMO wheat has not been approved yet, does not mean it isn't being raised. Notice where it says wheatlege?
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Yes I see that. And you do not use glyphosate on wheat. It kills it. Seems your fine doctor has a few holes in his research?
Dirty practices of Monsanto? Do tell me about them, I would love to learn more.
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12/28/12, 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by farmerDale
Yes I see that. And you do not use glyphosate on wheat. It kills it. Seems your fine doctor has a few holes in his research?
Dirty practices of Monsanto? Do tell me about them, I would love to learn more.
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Yeah, thats why they are developing 'Roundup Ready ' Wheat.
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