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12/04/12, 05:26 PM
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above ground tank to fuel tractor
I'm tired of lugging 5 gallon cans of diesel to fuel my tractors. I seem to remember a 55 gallon ( or larger) drum up on a stand with a fuel pump type hose hanging down. Are those not around anymore.? If athey are -- what are they called and where do I get one. Then how do I get it filled?
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12/04/12, 05:45 PM
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Call a fuel supplier. They'll hook you up
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12/04/12, 05:50 PM
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Our diesel tank is larger than 55 gallons, something like 500 (you can get 300 gal tanks) but MFA (Missouri Farmers Association) supplies them for free if you buy at least 150 gallons of fuel from them at a time.
We did the same thing for the same reason. Good luck!
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12/04/12, 06:06 PM
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You will loose some to evaporation and perhaps to theives. Make sure that you lock it and keep it under shade.
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12/04/12, 06:13 PM
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You will loose some to evaporation and perhaps to theives. Make sure that you lock it and keep it under shade.
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Agreed. Ours is "undercover" in a place far from prying eyes and locked unless we are fueling up the tractor. I would recommend putting an above ground tank where it cannot be seen from the road or upon approach to your property.
No problem with evaporation as ours is as I said, 'undercover" It's one of those things that if somebody messes with it, hey, you are way over the line in the trespassing department and your picture is probably on one of my game cameras so don't do the crime if you can't do the time sort of thing.
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12/04/12, 06:59 PM
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when I priced it out for off road diesel (ORD), the delivery costs were more than the savings from using ORD. So I am planning on putting a 100 - 200 gallon tank on a trailer and driving it the 10 miles to the nearest ORD station. But that project has to wait till I am on the farm full time and can provide security. For now, I fill 2 5 gal cans near about every day.
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12/04/12, 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by CesumPec
when I priced it out for off road diesel (ORD), the delivery costs were more than the savings from using ORD. So I am planning on putting a 100 - 200 gallon tank on a trailer and driving it the 10 miles to the nearest ORD station. But that project has to wait till I am on the farm full time and can provide security. For now, I fill 2 5 gal cans near about every day.
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I have 2 500 gal. stands but these days its cheaper to fill the 165 gal tank on the service trailer when we go to town for something instead of pay delivery costs.
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12/04/12, 07:21 PM
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So I am planning on putting a 100 - 200 gallon tank on a trailer and driving it the 10 miles to the nearest ORD station
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If you haul more than 119 gallons in one tank, you need a "Hazmat" license
http://www.telsafe.org/Documents/NTS...sportation.pdf
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12/04/12, 07:27 PM
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I'm In Michigan. I am unfamiliar with ORD. Is that cheaper diesel fuel than going to the gas station and buying diesel in the five gallon cans? Starting to sound like I should resign myself to doung it piecemail. I only use about a 100 gal per year.
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12/04/12, 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by lj
I'm tired of lugging 5 gallon cans of diesel to fuel my tractors. I seem to remember a 55 gallon ( or larger) drum up on a stand with a fuel pump type hose hanging down. Are those not around anymore.? If athey are -- what are they called and where do I get one. Then how do I get it filled?
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Like DaleK says, most fuel suppliers can fix you up or at least tell you who to go see. Depending on how much fuel you use. I always had 2 300 gal tanks on stands and the local supplier would deliver when needed to fill them. You can also get a smaller tank (50-100 ) gal tank and put it on a small trailer or in your pick-up to go get fuel. These can be fitted with a hand pump to transfer the fuel to your tractor.
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12/04/12, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by lj
I'm In Michigan. I am unfamiliar with ORD. Is that cheaper diesel fuel than going to the gas station and buying diesel in the five gallon cans? Starting to sound like I should resign myself to doung it piecemail. I only use about a 100 gal per year.
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sorry, I posted before seeing this. If you only use 100 gal a year, its probably not worth setting up a bulk tank. A 50 gal tank in the bed of your pickup might be handy tho. Off road diesel is cheaper somewhat,, but don't get any of it in your highway use truck or such.
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12/04/12, 07:35 PM
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It`s still cheaper here to have it delivered to the farm. We have several fuel dealers in the area, so you can call around for the best price. I have two, three hundred gallon overhead barrels that we use for fuel, and you can buy them on some farm auctions darn cheap. > Thanks Marc
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12/04/12, 07:41 PM
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You might want to look around for someplace to buy smaller quantities of off-road diesel in town rather than on-road. Depending on the state but some places truck stops stock off-road diesel for filling the tanks on reefer units.
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12/04/12, 07:42 PM
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We run an L shaped tank, crosswise under the crossover tool box and up to the heighth of the toolbox, baffle in the middle, 50 gallons gas, 50 diesel, in the back of the pickup. Both with electric (12volt) pumps. It is cheaper here to get both at the cardlock station and very handy, grader, tractors, generators, etc....James
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12/04/12, 07:51 PM
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The difference in prices is mostly taxes, which are 64.1 cent gallon in MI.
If you don't have a farm exemption, they might just charge sales tax only, on the off road diesel (plus delivery).
Like ksfarmer stated, just don't get caught using it in a road diesel. 
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12/04/12, 07:53 PM
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I have a 300gal diesel tank on a stand. That lasts me about a year, in the tractor, a dozer, and a garden tiller. To fill it, I take 3 - 55gal barrels to the farmer's Co-op once or twice a year, and buy off road diesel, which is about 40 cents/gal cheaper ( and dyed red ) than on road fuel.
When I get home, I use a hand pump to transfer from the barrel to the tank. You might do fine to just get a couple 55gal drums, a hand pump, and not bother with the tank.
I made a couple special pallets for my drums so I can lift them out with the tractor, and they don't slide around in the truck.
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12/04/12, 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by lj
I'm In Michigan. I am unfamiliar with ORD. Is that cheaper diesel fuel than going to the gas station and buying diesel in the five gallon cans? Starting to sound like I should resign myself to doung it piecemail. I only use about a 100 gal per year.
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About 30 cents cheaper in my neck o de woods.
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12/04/12, 09:12 PM
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Off Road Diesel is the same fuel the semis use, it is just dyed red and has not had the road taxes applied to it. Big big fines if they find it in a licenced on-road diesel truck, car, bus, etc. So it will save you whatever your state taxes are to be using it in your tractors. It is dyed very red, so you will know if you are getting it or not. Same fuel, just without taxes.
There have been big changes in fuel storage rules the past 5 years, and big ones just hit. If you have tanks to store over 1320 gallons on your property, you have a whole booklet of forums to fill out and permitting needs to be done. so a whole lot of those overhead 300 gallon tanks have been about given away, stand and all, so a person doesn't have too much storage around. You all might be a tad late for the free please take clearinghouse of them, but those things sell used for $50-100 at auction sales around here.
If a 300 gallon tanks seem too big, there are 50-100 gallon pickup size tanks with electric (120v, or 12v) and hand-pumps on them. at farm sales they tend to go $300 or so used, and any farm, fleet, type store can set you up with new. I'd say a hand pump 50 gallon tank would suit many of you.
Finding a farm fuel supplier that sells the dyed off road diesel, and will deliver 200 gallons or so per fill, or will fill you up with off-road if you bring your smaller tank in, will save you some money - the taxes. In many cases, home heating fuel is exactly the same as off road diesel, so you can check those suppliers.
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12/04/12, 09:26 PM
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excellent info, thanks Bearfoot. That little bit of HT intelligence might have just saved me money and aggravation. MANY THANKS
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12/04/12, 09:34 PM
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not that I am advocating breaking the law (wink, wink, nudge, nudge), but I know of a two individuals who have ORD for construction and destruction equipment. They fuel them with tankS built into the back of their pickup beds. I'm sure they would NEVER accidentally let that fuel nozzle slip into the truck's tank.
I know heavy trucks sometimes get tested for ORD at weigh stations and police traps, but has anyone ever seen a pickup stopped and tested?
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