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Old 10/26/12, 02:59 PM
 
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Shingles Vaccine

I was at the doctor's so I asked if the shingles vaccine is with worth getting. He said yes.

However, he also said that the vaccine costs him almost $300 at the pharmacy and that many of the insurance companies will only pay the doctor about $220 to give the shot to their patients.

So I guess that a lot of people won't be getting the shot.

One of the local drug stores advertises that they give shingles vaccines, so I need to stop in and see how much.

My doctor is going to see if he can get my insurance company to authorize it. He wants the shot himself, but is not allowed to buy it and give it to himself or his own insurance won't pay for it. His own doctor doesn't want to give it when it costs $300 and he gets paid $220 for it.

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Old 10/26/12, 03:49 PM
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Mine cost $275. Dr. strongly recommended it. Said even if only 50% effective it would potentially reduce the number of shingles cases he has to try to treat.

Added: My insurance company paid the full $275.

There is a thread on the shingles vaccine on the Alternative Health forum.

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Old 10/26/12, 03:52 PM
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I wondered why the doctor's offices here stopped providing it. I thought it might have a medical reason. Nope- financial.

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We both received the shingles vaccination yesterday. Not sure if the insurance company will pay for it or not. We were warned they might not. Didn't make a difference to us. If they don't, so be it. All we know is that neither of us wants the shingles.

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We got it at our pharmacy. We paid $60.00 for it. The insurance paid the rest.

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My wife and I received our shingles vaccines a couple of weeks ago at a Kroger grocery store/pharmacy. The Medicare co-pay was something in the range of $75 or $80. I don't remember exactly, but we wanted the shot so we got it.

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...................I got my shot from Walgreens back in june for $184 ! , fordy

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Actually had to get my vaccine when I traveled to visit family in SC and I live in PA near the NY border. My doctor soesn't carry the vacine but did give me a prescription. NY pharmacy told me they had a "hold" on giving the vaccine..??? and it proved to difficult to get the vaccine in a PA pharmacy and then return to my doctor within a 1/2 hour to get it injected by the nurse at my doctors office. So....went to SC and paid $20 to Rite Aid there by the pharmacy. Believe cost was around $260 so insurance paid the rest. Had the prescription from my PA doctor. What a time just to get this vaccine. Now a few years back my husband, different doctors office at that time, had it available in their office so he received it then with no problem. I would highly recommend getting it.

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Old 10/26/12, 04:54 PM
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Mine didnt cost me anything but I get my medical thru VA..that shingles is bad stuff...pretty painful.

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I had the shot. I don't want to repeat shingles. My insurance covered it all.

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Call your county health department and see if they have any grant money to give the shingles shots for free. Last year, I was at my counties health department for a flu shot and the nurse asked me if I wanted a shingles shot it was free through a state grant. I got it and then called several friends who live in a different county and they went to my counties health dept and also got the free shot.

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So is there an epidemic of shingles going around, otherwise why are you all getting a vaccine against it? Can you get shingles once you've had chicken pox?

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Sanza,

I don't know if there is any kind of epidemic, but, within the past six months, three of my friends have contracted shingles. They have all told me how painful it was. One of them had it around his eyes. Apparently, it is possilble to lose one's vision when the shingles are in the eye.

My understanding is that it virtually only effects those who have had chicken pox before. Apparently it is a result of some latent virus, or some such thing.

I got the shot because I'm not sure whether or not I had chicken pox when I was a kid.

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Old 10/28/12, 02:34 AM
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Chicken pox was a typical childhood illness. Easily transmitted to other kids. I don't know when they started to immunize school age children as a matter of routine, but it significantly reduced the number of cases.

From Google background information a typical case seems to be an older adult who had chicken pox as a child. Virus then remains dormant in the body. A trigger may be stress. Effectiveness rate is apparently around 55/45.

I suspect it is just a case of the vaccine manufacturer doing a lot of advertisement and doctor encouragements to use it. Recall an ad in an issue of National Geographics and a poster in the doctor's exam room.

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I suspect it is just a case of the vaccine manufacturer doing a lot of advertisement and doctor encouragements to use it.
The love of money is the root of all evil. That's the same reason they are trying to scare so many people about pertussis too. They are working hard to pad their pockets. It's not about health, it's about profit.
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Ken and Meka,

I don't doubt what you say about the pharmceutical companies trying to maximize their profits, but in my case, my motivation was entirely separate from that.

I don't have a television. I don't subscribe to any magazines. I've never seen any advertisements for any medications relative to shingles, and I've never heard or read anything about the disease from anyone promoting vaccination against it.

My entire motivation to be immunized came from my three personal friends who suffered from it earlier in the year.

Obviously, the choice is yours, but I, for one, wouldn't dismiss the idea of becoming immunized just because I thought that some pharmaceutical company was going to make some profit.

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Old 10/28/12, 08:26 AM
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I got mine and was told its only Good for 4-6 Years.

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Thank you. I was under the pression it didn't require a booster but I'll ask my doctor next time I have to go in.

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The love of money is the root of all evil. That's the same reason they are trying to scare so many people about pertussis too. They are working hard to pad their pockets. It's not about health, it's about profit.
Oh geeze. While I have no love of corporations who promote nefarious practices, it's ridiculous to not expect any person or corporation to make a profit on their product, as well as just recoup money spent paying employees, overhead, etc. Of course, drug companies advertise. So does Nabisco to sell their new flavor of Oreos. Big deal.
I would suspect doctors are encouraging the vaccine to promote the well-being of their patients. Every doctor I know over a certain age has already had the vax or is planning on getting it.
My FIL (retired drug researcher) who def knows the good, bad and ugly of the pharmaceutical industry has already had his and MIL who has her masters in immunology got hers last year too.
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Chicken pox was a typical childhood illness. Easily transmitted to other kids. I don't know when they started to immunize school age children as a matter of routine, but it significantly reduced the number of cases.
The chicken pox vax was released in the US in 1995 (was developed in Japan in 1974) and that was the same year my older daughter received it. She was 7 and had never had CP and it was "going around" at the time I was pregnant with my second child. The pediatrician didn't want the baby exposed to CP as a newborn. We vaccinated the baby when she was the appropriate age and we've never had childhood chickenpox in this house.
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I would suspect doctors are encouraging the vaccine to promote the well-being of their patients.
They are. The vast majority of MDs have good intentions and hearts of servants.
But who tells the doctors how good and how useful that vaccine is? They are educated by big pharma when the drug reps come to call. And the drug reps themselves are probably people with good hearts. But big pharma itself is driven by a purely profit motive. It is not altruistic.
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They are. The vast majority of MDs have good intentions and hearts of servants.
But who tells the doctors how good and how useful that vaccine is? They are educated by big pharma when the drug reps come to call. And the drug reps themselves are probably people with good hearts. But big pharma itself is driven by a purely profit motive. It is not altruistic.
So how is it that you know so much more than the ignorant but well-intentioned doctors?
Like I said in an earlier post, my FIL is from "big pharma" and he had the vaccine. Is he also an ignorant dupe, having spent his adult life developing drugs that have saved millions of lives?
Or maybe he's offering himself up as a sacrificial cow to help big pharma improve their bottom line?
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The chicken pox vax was released in the US in 1995 (was developed in Japan in 1974) and that was the same year my older daughter received it. She was 7 and had never had CP and it was "going around" at the time I was pregnant with my second child. The pediatrician didn't want the baby exposed to CP as a newborn. We vaccinated the baby when she was the appropriate age and we've never had childhood chickenpox in this house.
We are not talking about what has took place in the 90's This is for People born in the Late 40's to early 50's~!
The ones that are reaching or have reached 60 Years of age
It is Those folks that had CP go through the family and friends. It was very common back then.
This shingles Vac is ONLY for folks 60 and older. So has no bearing on young ones in the 80's and 90's
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They are. The vast majority of MDs have good intentions and hearts of servants.
But who tells the doctors how good and how useful that vaccine is? .
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The shingles vaccine is specifically designed to protect people against shingles and will not protect people against other forms of herpes, such as genital herpes. The shingles vaccine is not recommended to treat active shingles or post-herpetic neuralgia (pain after the rash is gone) once it develops.

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In a clinical trial involving thousands of adults 60 years old or older, Zostavax reduced the risk of shingles by about half (51%) and the risk of post-herpetic neuralgia by 67%. While the vaccine was most effective in people 60-69 years old it also provided some protection for older groups.
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We are not talking about what has took place in the 90's This is for People born in the Late 40's to early 50's~!
The ones that are reaching or have reached 60 Years of age
It is Those folks that had CP go through the family and friends. It was very common back then.
This shingles Vac is ONLY for folks 60 and older. So has no bearing on young ones in the 80's and 90's
I was responding to a question and it was quoted in my post. Did you not understand that? The chicken pox vaccine does have an impact on shingles and is pertinent to the thread.
Also the shingles vax is recommended for some over the age of 50.
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They are. The vast majority of MDs have good intentions and hearts of servants.
But who tells the doctors how good and how useful that vaccine is? They are educated by big pharma when the drug reps come to call. And the drug reps themselves are probably people with good hearts. But big pharma itself is driven by a purely profit motive. It is not altruistic.
So you are saying that doctors are too dumb to do their own research??

Do you have any idea how few drug reps even get to talk to the doctors??

I have seen friends suffer with shingles. I don't want it. There is an epidemic of people getting older so there are more people getting shingles. There is also a vaccine now so there is a choice.

If you are going to try to influence others with your medical advice please state your education and qualifications. For instance I am an RN.
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So you are saying that doctors are too dumb to do their own research??

Do you have any idea how few drug reps even get to talk to the doctors??

I have seen friends suffer with shingles. I don't want it. There is an epidemic of people getting older so there are more people getting shingles. There is also a vaccine now so there is a choice.

If you are going to try to influence others with your medical advice please state your education and qualifications. For instance I am an RN.
Doctors rarely do their "own" research They are educated by medical publications (big pharma) and drug reps (big pharma.) I work in a very busy big city hospital ICU (actually I work in every ICU in that facility at different times) so I do know lots of doctors.

There is nothing altruistic about big pharma. All and I repeat ALL they care about is money. We are running out of effective antibiotics for resistant organisms because it costs them so much to develop them compared to the profit they can reap. I can understand that from a business pov but on the same note that should clearly tell you that profit comes before people. There have been several documented instances of unfavorable info being hidden in order that it not damage drug sales. The truth only came out after there were enough people hurt by the drugs that it drew attention. That in itself makes me not want to expose myself to vaccines or medications unless it's absolutely necessary, especially not newer ones. I don't trust big pharma as far as I can throw them.

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The increase in awareness of shingles is probably due to the baby boomers reaching the age group during which most cases of shingles develop. Large population = more cases. I remember my grandmother suffering through it when I was a girl.

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Part of it is also the chicken pox vaccine for children. Repeated exposure to chicken pox when you are older (assuming you've already had it) acts as a sort of vaccine for shingles. So when your kids have it, you get a 'booster' so to speak, and it delays shingles. If you're around your grandkids when they have it, again a 'booster'. Kids get the vaccine now and so there is a lot less exposure for the older people as well.

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Doctors rarely do their "own" research They are educated by medical publications (big pharma) and drug reps (big pharma.) I work in a very busy big city hospital ICU (actually I work in every ICU in that facility at different times) so I do know lots of doctors.

There is nothing altruistic about big pharma. All and I repeat ALL they care about is money. We are running out of effective antibiotics for resistant organisms because it costs them so much to develop them compared to the profit they can reap. I can understand that from a business pov but on the same note that should clearly tell you that profit comes before people. There have been several documented instances of unfavorable info being hidden in order that it not damage drug sales. The truth only came out after there were enough people hurt by the drugs that it drew attention. That in itself makes me not want to expose myself to vaccines or medications unless it's absolutely necessary, especially not newer ones. I don't trust big pharma as far as I can throw them.

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I know a lot of people who have gotten their medications for free from pharma company programs like Lilly Cares. Most drug companies have similar programs. So yeah, their is something altruistic about big pharma. Are their motives pure? I'm sure not. But what corporation is purely altruistic? Not a fan of big corporations in many instances, and I sure as heck don't think that corporations are people too. But I doubt Nabisco is any more purely altruistic than Eli Lilly.
I think Molly was saying that doctors can research about drugs...not research and develop them in labs.
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