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07/12/12, 07:37 AM
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A couple things on bees I wanted to share
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07/12/12, 09:01 AM
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07/12/12, 12:14 PM
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First web site: If I'm raising bees and my neighbor has foulbrood, I want rapid action. Government moves so darn slow, then gave him time to get rid of the infected bees, now he wants to allow his infected bees to spread disease while he drags his feet through the Court system.
Sure, I expect the State to release their Lab results. That'll come out in Court. But remember, we are hearing only one side of this story.
Second web site (video) Strange that he uses corn fields when anyone should know bees don't pollenate corn. At 3:33, the document is for Mustard and Cotton.
Lots of pesticides are toxic to bees, just as lots of pesticides are toxic to humans.
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07/12/12, 01:38 PM
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The main issue with the neonic's is that they are seed coating. Talc powder is used to keep these seeds seperated during planting. The talc powder picks up some of the pesticide residue, and have this dust, that can get into all kinds of stuff. Also if bees are really hard up they will use corn pollen, not often but it does happen. I've seen studys that say it takes a VERY small ammount of these pesticides to affect bees. We stiil truely dont know what that non-lethal affects of neo nics are but it ain't good. Especially when Bayer Crop Science has a well paid army of spokes people to deny any calim of their product affecting bees. Beekeepers don't have the money to fight I giant like bayer.
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07/12/12, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris.
The main issue with the neonic's is that they are seed coating. Talc powder is used to keep these seeds seperated during planting. The talc powder picks up some of the pesticide residue, and have this dust, that can get into all kinds of stuff. Also if bees are really hard up they will use corn pollen, not often but it does happen. I've seen studys that say it takes a VERY small ammount of these pesticides to affect bees. We stiil truely dont know what that non-lethal affects of neo nics are but it ain't good. Especially when Bayer Crop Science has a well paid army of spokes people to deny any calim of their product affecting bees. Beekeepers don't have the money to fight I giant like bayer.
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Kind of a streach, don't ya think? Corn, planted 2 to 4 inches deep, isn't going to be anywhere near bees. Then months later, when then corn produces pollen, bees pick this as a last choice (I'm not sure this really happens) and somehow this seed coating travels 6 feet up into the pollen.
I doubt you could get a degree in Plant Science with a disertation " I don't know what it does, but it is bad". Then you frost your cake with the class envy, "The Rich are always the Evil Ones".
Here's a dose of reality: China produces most of the honey eaten in this country and they sure aren't bothered with pesticide regulations.
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07/12/12, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by haypoint
Here's a dose of reality: China produces most of the honey eaten in this country and they sure aren't bothered with pesticide regulations.
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That there is a stretch, I think what you meant to say is China produces most of what is sold as Honey?
Doesn't it seem odd we would police our self's and force such strict and stringent regulations. Just to
allow adulterated and potentially dangerous products into our country!
Oh there is no such thing as class in this country, there's this premise all men are created equal and the law is suppose to function equal and fairly.
But other then social class we also seem to be lacking high in the "taste" type of class,common sense and just over all thinking ability. Perhaps from the Lead laden Chinese plastic and adulterated foods?
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07/12/12, 04:51 PM
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it is true that much of the honey that is in your cherios,bbq sauce, etc. is from china.
The issue with neo nics is there are sytemic, that means the go through the whole plant. There is mesurable amounts of neo nics in corn pollen, as in parts per million. Doesn't take much to screw up bees, as they are very small. If the theory is it messes with there nervous system, and therefor their navigation system, they don't make it home. Thats what colony collapse disorder is, rapid depopulation of a hive. I've seen it, and its spooky. It dosnt help we have a new strain of nosema, parisitic mites,monoculture, etc. In way it is a perfect storm, but neonics deffinatly are not helping.
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07/12/12, 10:55 PM
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I used Round up for at least 30 years around bee hives to control grass. I used them on hives owned by Fisher Honey of Little Rock with their blessing. Many of the insecticides have a warning about use them near bees and what I did was called them and told them that I was going to use one and they removed the bees the next night and brought them back afterwards. I have never had a hive that lost many bees from anything. I never grew round up corn or beans and they might be harmful to bee. But the round up that I used was from consecrate to be sprayed on. It is against the law to use it with out reading the directions and follow them on any farm chemicals.
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07/13/12, 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by haypoint
Kind of a stretch, don't ya think? Corn, planted 2 to 4 inches deep, isn't going to be anywhere near bees.
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As Chris noted, it's the talc mixed with bits of seed coating that come off as they jostle in the hoppers during planting. It creates cloulds of toxic dust that settle on everything near the fields being planted. There are major bee kills nearly every spring during planting time. Purdue did a major study on this:
Purdue Newsroom - Researchers: Honeybee deaths linked to seed insecticide exposure
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Originally Posted by Chris
I've seen studys that say it takes a VERY small amount of these pesticides to affect bees.
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According to the Purdue study, there's enough pesticide on ONE kernal of seed corn to kill 100,000 bees.
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07/13/12, 06:31 AM
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So, why is Monsanto and Roundup mentioned in all this? What do they have to do with it????
> According to the Purdue study, there's enough pesticide on ONE kernal of seed corn to kill 100,000 bees.
That's a neat quick fact, but - there is enough water in 1 bucket of water to drown 100 people. I guess we all should be dead from drowning?
The bee deaths are occuring in places that do not grow corn, so the theory - well worth looking into to be sure - seems to fall apart when applied to the real world.
There is a new theory every couple of months on the bee problem. Seems none of them hold up to the real world conditions.
I hope we figure out what is causing the problem, and if it is something we are doing, we need to chsnge that.
The teory is the seed coatings on corn is an insecticide, and the newer corn planters use air to move corn through the planter. The teory is that the bits of seed corn treatment fly off in the air stream and somehow contaminate bees. The teory falls apart some when you consider corn planting and pollen collection happens at different times; bees are dying in regions that have no corn or air planters or coated seeds of any type; and so forth.
Nonetheless, I'm glad all possibilities are being looked at and if a connection can be made, we need to change our ways.
Again tho, why this thread starts with a link titled Monsanto and Roundup - makes no sense.
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07/13/12, 07:25 AM
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Its all a plot by Monsanto to kill off all bees. They will then sell Roundup Ready Nano Robot Bees that only pollinate plants grown from seed sold by Monsanto!
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07/13/12, 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by indypartridge
As Chris noted, it's the talc mixed with bits of seed coating that come off as they jostle in the hoppers during planting. It creates cloulds of toxic dust that settle on everything near the fields being planted. There are major bee kills nearly every spring during planting time. Purdue did a major study on this:
Purdue Newsroom - Researchers: Honeybee deaths linked to seed insecticide exposure
According to the Purdue study, there's enough pesticide on ONE kernal of seed corn to kill 100,000 bees. |
Have you ever witnessed the clouds of talc swoorling around a corn planter? Me neither. Doesn't happen. The seed hoppers are near air tight. The seed tubes are solid and the seed drops an inch or two into the soil's opening. Then it is covered up and packed down.
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07/13/12, 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by HermitJohn
Its all a plot by Monsanto to kill off all bees. They will then sell Roundup Ready Nano Robot Bees that only pollinate plants grown from seed sold by Monsanto!
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Finally, a plain english explination of it that makes sense!
Again, we have to keep looking, see what is causing the problem, I want to keep our bees as well, if we actually find a cause that we can correct we need to correct it.
So far none of the theories have really added up, so we need to keep looking.
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07/13/12, 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by ||Downhome||
That there is a stretch, I think what you meant to say is China produces most of what is sold as Honey?
Doesn't it seem odd we would police our self's and force such strict and stringent regulations. Just to
allow adulterated and potentially dangerous products into our country!
Oh there is no such thing as class in this country, there's this premise all men are created equal and the law is suppose to function equal and fairly.
But other then social class we also seem to be lacking high in the "taste" type of class,common sense and just over all thinking ability. Perhaps from the Lead laden Chinese plastic and adulterated foods?
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Yes, it does seem odd that we create regulations on ourselves, then enter into lop-sided free trade agreements with countries that operate without regulation. But it is the reality that we live in.
China provided most of the honey sold in this country. Glad to see that you are aware that there are plenty of "honey-like" products. KFC has honey spread for those tasty biscuits. It contains 7% honey. The rest is high fructose corn syurp.
Maybe in theory we are created equal, but there is plenty of class envy. Part of our next presidental race is about class envy.
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07/13/12, 11:08 AM
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well, monsanto did buy a bee research company, and hired some folks that were known in the bee industry. Its not the lethal dose of pesticide we are woried about, its the sub lethal. If it does not kill them, what does it do. Therefor it take very small amounts of a neo nic to potentially afect bees. I'm talking a few part per billion. Bees are small.
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07/13/12, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris.
well, monsanto did buy a bee research company, and hired some folks that were known in the bee industry. Its not the lethal dose of pesticide we are woried about, its the sub lethal. If it does not kill them, what does it do. Therefor it take very small amounts of a neo nic to potentially afect bees. I'm talking a few part per billion. Bees are small.
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With all the frivolous lawsuits against Monsanto, I'm sure they wanted to get as much information as they could. Why let the anti-Monsanto groups make unsubstantiated claims and do nothing. Aren't you glad Monsanto is going to study the problem?
Let's agree that there are likely dozens of things that contribute to honey bee mortality.
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07/13/12, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by HermitJohn
Its all a plot by Monsanto to kill off all bees. They will then sell Roundup Ready Nano Robot Bees that only pollinate plants grown from seed sold by Monsanto!
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And I saw a study that said these nano robot bees would only sting people who don't like Monsanto.
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07/13/12, 07:23 PM
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>Its all a plot by Monsanto to kill off all bees. They will then sell Roundup Ready Nano Robot Bees that only pollinate plants grown from seed sold by Monsanto!
Sssshhhhhh <finger to lips> Let's not give anybody any ideas 
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07/13/12, 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by haypoint
China provided most of the honey sold in this country. Glad to see that you are aware that there are plenty of "honey-like" products. KFC has honey spread for those tasty biscuits. It contains 7% honey. The rest is high fructose corn syurp.
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"honey-like" products? umm no carp passed off like its honey!
this "honey-like" products thing really with "me" at least and some past posts really makes "me" really makes "me" wonder? remember the banned pork thread?
"honey-like" products whooweee lets say it again "honey-like" products.....
really?
gosh darn...
NOPE CARP PASSED OFF AS HONEY!
the words are adulterated or counterfeit not "honey-like" products...
seems like that word play spin the overlords like to use ???
Don't give your self away before you can influence the fold...
and dude, ya dude your this farmer type guy but "But it is the reality that we live in."???
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Bee gentics can spread much farther than corn pollen.
