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03/17/12, 07:33 AM
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Iowa passes law prohibiting on-farm photography
It's about time farmers/ livestock raisers got some protection from the animal activists.
Iowa farm photography bill signed into law – illegal to lie to access farms | dvafoto
Had not known this kind of law was being considered ... looks like Iowa passed it and Florida (and possibly some other states) are considering it. I hope they really go after these people.
I know I've stopped allowing anyone I don't know from taking any photos on the farm ... with the cell phones, etc., and FB/ Internet sites you absolutely do not know where any of the photos will end up.
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03/17/12, 08:46 AM
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Alright after my dealings with AR People they can Rot as far as I'm concerned their bunch of Hypocrites. 
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03/17/12, 08:59 AM
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What comes to MY mind, here on MY FARM, is, If I aint doin nothing wrong, I shouldnt have anything to hide.
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03/17/12, 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by FarmBoyBill
What comes to MY mind, here on MY FARM, is, If I aint doin nothing wrong, I shouldnt have anything to hide.
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So you'd allow the police to come into your home at any time and look around? After all if you "aint doin nothing wrong, I shouldnt have anything to hide" right?
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03/17/12, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by FarmBoyBill
What comes to MY mind, here on MY FARM, is, If I aint doin nothing wrong, I shouldnt have anything to hide.
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"I ain't doin nothing wrong", but for sure if any LEO goes past my front porch, they had better have a warrant.
If I do not want you on MY property, and you do not have a warrant, I will (not so eloquently) tell you where you should go, and what you should do when you get there.
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03/17/12, 09:57 AM
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I am a private person. No one is allowd to come on my property with my permission and they have to have a very good reason for asking. Any picture taken will be done by me. Might be a few things I don't want everyone looking at around here.
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03/17/12, 09:59 AM
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What comes to MY mind, here on MY FARM, is, If I aint doin nothing wrong, I shouldnt have anything to hide.
thats the problem ,,, if the AR see a one turd in the wrong place they will make it a problem
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03/17/12, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by FarmBoyBill
What comes to MY mind, here on MY FARM, is, If I aint doin nothing wrong, I shouldnt have anything to hide.
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Ah but that isn't the problem. Being reported to cause you a problem dealing with the ruling authorities sure is. All it takes is an angry person. I have found the only way to not make anyone angry is no social contact. I didn't say any of your social contacts have evil intent. Nor am I saying cross them and find out. The problem is determining the good. I had a good social contact turn bad simply because alcohol clouded their better judgement. Forgiveness was given freely and they refused to correct the problem. They are no longer a social contact in the catagory of friend.
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03/17/12, 10:07 AM
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What isn't wrong to you, may be very wrong to someone else. do you really want someone else deciding whats right and wrong for you?
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03/17/12, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by FarmBoyBill
What comes to MY mind, here on MY FARM, is, If I aint doin nothing wrong, I shouldnt have anything to hide.
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This is true, but unfortunately with the way things work now, with cell phone photos, the Internet and photoshopping for photos, someone can take a photo of an actual accident, do some judicious photoshopping and post it publically as "abuse" ... with the injured animal being injured by "abusive" owners.
Once the photo is up and public, how do you document that it was an unavoidable accident, that the cow (or sheep/goat/horse) was rammed into a fence by another animal and the nasty looking cut wasn't made by you hitting her with a sharp object because you were angry?
It has happened ... and it will continue to happen as long as the animal activists continue to pursue their objectives unchecked.
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03/17/12, 01:13 PM
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Does this law include photos taken from consumer or .gov drones? Consumer drones go on the market in MAY I believe, and the suggested pricing is only $300. This will quickly become the preferred method of image capturing, and you may not even know when someone is taking pictures using a drone.
As absurd as this sounds, we may have to resort to putting some sort of watermark/copyright on the property that will show up on an aerial image. So if the images turn up on the internet you might have some recourse.
I'm thinking a huge middle finger painted on top of the machine shed. 
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03/17/12, 02:13 PM
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Does this law include photos taken from consumer or .gov drones? Consumer drones go on the market in MAY I believe, and the suggested pricing is only $300. This will quickly become the preferred method of image capturing, and you may not even know when someone is taking pictures using a drone. |
I'd have to re-read the whole thing but I think it is specific to falsifying information on an employee application for farm work when the intent is not to get/hold a job but to take photos of something that can be used by PETA and HSUS to promote more regulation of the laws regarding livestock raising/keeping because of the supposed "inhumane/abusive" treatment of the livestock on that farm.
I'm not sure what 'visitors' taking photos would come under or if it could even be addressed under this legislation ... but I and many other horse and rabbit breeders I know absolutely tell everyone that comes to look at anything that they are not to take photos under any circumstances.
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03/17/12, 02:15 PM
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Photos of debudding goats, castrating animals, butchering, clipping wings, tanning hides and shoeing a hooved animal might to some be cruel.
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03/17/12, 02:35 PM
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I believe this was as a direct result of several PETA folks who lied on job applications to get employed at hog confinement facilities here in IA. They then proceeded to take hidden cameras to work, film some stuff that was rather unpleasant and "blew the whistle" so to speak on some violations. They also took hidden cameras into chicken farms and found some pretty disgusting conditions.
So, yes it was wrong for them to lie to get a job and to take pictures without the company/farmer's consent...HOWEVER, to play devil's advocate it DID also lead to some changes in IA laws about sanitary practices, etc. My personal opinion is that egg farms are absolutely disgusting, but that's certainly not exclusive to Iowa. They're ALL like that. I'm also not too jazzed about wonking baby pigs on the concrete floor when they're not quite big enough or have a prolapse. Surely there's got to be a better way to euthanize them that that??
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03/17/12, 02:36 PM
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The tax man asked me whats down that lane?I said nothing you would be interested in.I guess I was right,lol
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03/17/12, 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by kasilofhome
Photos of debudding goats, castrating animals, butchering, clipping wings, tanning hides and shoeing a hooved animal might to some be cruel.
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This is what this law is designed to prevent ... people falsifying information to get a farm job when their intent is simply to be able to take these kinds of pictures.
I once saw a big uproar over a photo taken of someone hotshoeing a horse, with all the smoke rolling up off the hoof and "OMG they put the shoe hot from the forge and burned the hoof of this poor animal!"
Did the horsemen do anything but double over laughing? No.
Were there comments from the city people horrified by this practice? Yep.
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03/17/12, 04:28 PM
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How easily are the 'sheeple' lulled into complacency, by giving
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Originally Posted by FarmBoyBill
What comes to MY mind, here on MY FARM, is, If I aint doin nothing wrong, I shouldnt have anything to hide.
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up their rights to the 4th Amendment just because they say, " If I ain't doing something/nothing wrong,
then I shouldn't have anything to hide"??? Who gave away their rights to BIG BROTHER so
willingly,with an excuse that doesn't cut the mustard? I don't have anything to hide either, but if the
'man' doesn't have a legal piece of paper in his hand when he's coming thru MY door; they're going to go down.
Tough luck for him/her......they should know the law nearly as well as I do and should certainly practice it.
The sheeple don't seem to care anymore about their loss of liberty and freedom and hence,
neither do I.....they are reaping what they've allowed to grow........
If they come for me expecting the response that you've given.....
 
it will be BAAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDD .......
The Fourth Amendment states, “The right of the people to be secure in their persons,
houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated,
and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation,
and specifically describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”
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03/17/12, 04:59 PM
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Just what we desperately needed. Another law that makes it against the law to do something that is already against the law.
So we will no doubt need another task force to keep an eye on things here (government employees). 
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03/17/12, 05:31 PM
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For those who say they ain't doin' nothin' wrong - so let em take pictures - I ain't got nothin' to hide...
There's been a lot in the news lately of 80,000 pages of new laws that have been passed in the past few years AND the average person unknowingly violates an average of three laws a day. 
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03/17/12, 06:19 PM
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There is another problem with activists taking photos of your farm.
They are well documented to perform raids to release livestock and to set buildings on fire. Not a false accusation; they brag about it and don't make any secret that they do it.
Those photos could be reconnaissance.
And my persional point if view. They are creepy nut case terrorists. I don't want them anywhere near my place.
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