fencing through a wooded area - Homesteading Today
Homesteading Today

Go Back   Homesteading Today > General Homesteading Forums > Homesteading Questions


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread
  #1  
Old 01/13/12, 04:07 PM
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Dawsonville. ga
Posts: 400
fencing through a wooded area

I want to fence in the back 2-3 acres on my property and half is open "potential" pasture, and the other half is a rather steep wooded hill. It has a small walking traill cut around the property. It is a bit too steep for a tractor(which I don't own) and I figured the roots would impose an endless problem with a posthole digger. Is there a correct way to nail a fence to a tree? Possibly put a 2x4 inbetween the tree and the goat wire.

__________________
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 01/13/12, 04:22 PM
highlands's Avatar
Moderator
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Mountains of Vermont, Zone 3
Posts: 7,791

We fence using the trees and boulders. They make excellent posts. I set long eyebolts in the trees. Threes grow out about 1/16" to 1/4" a year. Set the bolts to line up with the forces. You can unspin the bolts as time passes and the tree grows. These are the end points and anchors. Then we use step in posts between them. Works great and the trees are fine.

Cheers

-Walter
Sugar Mountain Farm
Pastured Pigs, Sheep & Kids
in the mountains of Vermont
Read about our on-farm butcher shop project:
http://SugarMtnFarm.com/butchershop
http://SugarMtnFarm.com/csa

__________________

SugarMtnFarm.com -- Pastured Pigs, Poultry, Sheep, Dogs and Kids

Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 01/13/12, 04:26 PM
pancho's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 11,948
Quote:
Originally Posted by highlands View Post
We fence using the trees and boulders. They make excellent posts. I set long eyebolts in the trees. Threes grow out about 1/16" to 1/4" a year. Set the bolts to line up with the forces. You can unspin the bolts as time passes and the tree grows. These are the end points and anchors. Then we use step in posts between them. Works great and the trees are fine.

Cheers

-Walter
Sugar Mountain Farm
Pastured Pigs, Sheep & Kids
in the mountains of Vermont
Read about our on-farm butcher shop project:
http://SugarMtnFarm.com/butchershop
http://SugarMtnFarm.com/csa
Good idea on the eyebolts.
Never thought of that.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 01/13/12, 04:57 PM
JIL JIL is offline
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 946

I had someone tell me that I shouldn't use tress as when the tree grows it will lift the fence , but it seems to me once a tree is out of the ground it grows outward and from the top. what is the correct thought on this?

__________________
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 01/13/12, 05:01 PM
Studhauler's Avatar  
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: U.S.A.
Posts: 385

Trees don't lift wire. I have never seen any wire in trees at heights other than that used for fencing. I have seen lots of trees with wire thought the middle of the tree at the proper height for a fence.

__________________

Patriot Guard Riders http://www.patriotguard.org/

”Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe.”
~Noah Webster

Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 01/13/12, 05:05 PM
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Eastern Saskatchewan
Posts: 2,211

Only trouble we have had using trees is that over time, the tree incorporates the wire within itself, so that you get a wire 3 inches INSIDE of the tree. And this can make repairs difficult. Maybe some tree types do not do this??? And it is not that big a deal, you can still splice wire, etc. Also, I have had the trees holding the wire fall down, kinda wrecking the fence. I was raised NOT to use trees, but I do not really know why. LOL

__________________
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 01/13/12, 05:11 PM
JIL JIL is offline
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 946

thanks that was what I thought it didn't make sence to me that it would lift the wire. all the trees with fence that I have seen the tree grows and the wire ends up inside the bark or deeper depending on time and tree.

__________________
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 01/13/12, 06:10 PM
Brenda Groth
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Michigan
Posts: 7,789

there is ancient barbed wire fences fastened with staples to some of our trees in our old backwoods, so I guess that works fine..

__________________

Brenda Groth
http://restfultrailsfoodforestgarden.blogspot.com/

Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 01/13/12, 06:33 PM
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Dawsonville. ga
Posts: 400

My concern is that long after I'm gone someone will cut that tree down with a chainsaw. And now they will hit a possibly hidden piece of fence embedded in the tree. That's why I mentioned a 2x4 on the face of the tree. It wouldnt as easy embedd the 2x4 as it would a wire. Also repairs would be possible.

__________________
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 01/13/12, 07:18 PM
DaleK's Avatar  
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: East-Central Ontario
Posts: 3,584

Grandpa used to do this all the time. Found one yesterday with the chainsaw. Saved him some time and money I guess. Me not so much.

__________________

The internet - fueling paranoia and misinformation since 1873.

Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 01/13/12, 08:35 PM
SmokeEater2's Avatar  
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Arkansas
Posts: 175
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaleK View Post
Grandpa used to do this all the time. Found one yesterday with the chainsaw. Saved him some time and money I guess. Me not so much.

Yeah, My Grandpa and then my Dad did the same thing. I've messed up a lot of saw chains finding parts of old fences the hard way.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 01/13/12, 09:43 PM
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Whiskey Flats(Ft. Worth) , Tx
Posts: 8,080
Quote:
Originally Posted by shdybrady View Post
I want to fence in the back 2-3 acres on my property and half is open "potential" pasture, and the other half is a rather steep wooded hill. It has a small walking traill cut around the property. It is a bit too steep for a tractor(which I don't own) and I figured the roots would impose an endless problem with a posthole digger. Is there a correct way to nail a fence to a tree? Possibly put a 2x4 inbetween the tree and the goat wire.
.................Something you might try .........Use a Hammer drill with a concrete bit , find a boulder that is somewhat aligned with your fence row , and see IF you can drill a hole into the rock , IF yes , then you can drive a concrete bolt into the hole and maybe try to set 2 bolts maybe 2 feet a part . Then , you could weld a T post to the edge of the lag bolts . Then , just attach your wire across the face of the Tpost just like it had been driven into the ground . A concrete bit probably won't work on granite or any really hard rock , but it might work on sandstone or some variety of softer rock . , fordy
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 01/13/12, 09:57 PM
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: SW Missouri
Posts: 6,338

I think what highlands meant was that by using the eyebolts, you can screw them out of the tree as necessary so they won't be enveloped by the tree as it grows in girth. I've ruined more saws hitting bullets than fencing.

__________________
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 01/14/12, 07:59 AM
MushCreek's Avatar  
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Florida and South Carolina
Posts: 2,163

Sawmill operators aren't real fond of people attaching anything metal to a tree....

__________________

"What one generation tolerates, the next generation embraces." -John Wesley

Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 01/14/12, 08:07 AM
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Louisiana
Posts: 2,434

Always nailed to the tree and motored on...if cutting timber on an old fence line, make your intial cut as low as possible and then jump the butt six feet...should avoid most fence staples.

__________________
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 01/14/12, 08:18 AM
HDRider's Avatar  
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: NE Arkansas
Posts: 4,934
Quote:
Originally Posted by highlands View Post
We fence using the trees and boulders. They make excellent posts. I set long eyebolts in the trees. Threes grow out about 1/16" to 1/4" a year. Set the bolts to line up with the forces. You can unspin the bolts as time passes and the tree grows. These are the end points and anchors. Then we use step in posts between them. Works great and the trees are fine.

Cheers

-Walter
Sugar Mountain Farm
Pastured Pigs, Sheep & Kids
in the mountains of Vermont
Read about our on-farm butcher shop project:
http://SugarMtnFarm.com/butchershop
http://SugarMtnFarm.com/csa
Great idea...

I assume you use an insulated eye (where do you find that??) when a wire is hot??

Thanks
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 01/14/12, 08:38 AM
Banned
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Eastern North Carolina
Posts: 31,299
Quote:
I assume you use an insulated eye (where do you find that??) when a wire is hot??

Google "screw in fence insulator" and you'll see several designs.

You can also use standard insulators and put them up with screws instead of nails
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 01/14/12, 08:50 AM
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 3,037

If I am called upon to cut a large tree, I always check it with a metal detector before I start a saw. Most sawmills around these parts scan each incoming log with a hand wand before they hit it with a blade.
@Fordy- good tip about rock. I recall seeing a fence set in a granite bluff. Looked like the builder used a rock hammer or air drill and bored into the rock, cut the spade off the t post and cemented the posts into the hole with mortar. Was quite a site and all I could do was admire the effort someone went through all those years ago. Posts and wire were heavily rusted but the posts couldn't be moved or wiggled at all.

__________________
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 01/14/12, 09:53 AM
big rockpile's Avatar
If I need a Shelter
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Ozarks
Posts: 16,638

Just nail a 2X4 to the tree it will keep Tree from growing around the wire.

You were talking about digging Post Holes in 50 years put in alot of Fence with digging very few Post Holes.Just put T Post in or punch Hole with Rock Bar and Drive Wood Post in with Maul.Only Holes you may have to dig is corners and few along the Line.

big rockpile

__________________

I love being married.Its so great to find that one person you want to annoy for the rest of your life.



If I need a Shelter
If I need a Friend
I go to the Rock!

Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 01/14/12, 11:10 AM
motdaugrnds's Avatar
motdaugrnds
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Virginia
Posts: 7,208

When we first got on our place we were quite ignorant as to how to treat trees and put up fencing; thus, we used 16p nails and connected the woven fencing to any trees we needed to. Here it is 13 yrs later and the trees show no sign of disease, though some have grown over the nails.

We recently run a woven 48" fence through a corner of our property that contained briars, trenches and trees. We used the 8 ft long, heavy-duty metal posts for this. Where the woven wire met the trees, we slipped a 3-strand wire through pieces of water hose and use that hose to wrap around the tree to anchor the fencing onto different branches or wherever we could.

__________________
I am what I am! Acknowledging this is the beginning; and my growth is yet to end. http://motdaugrnds.com/farmsales ~~~~~ http://motdaugrnds.com

Last edited by motdaugrnds; 01/14/12 at 11:12 AM.
Reply With Quote
Reply



Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:00 AM.