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Old 11/05/11, 08:48 PM
 
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What was wrong with the nozzles on the old gas cans?

I'm rotating my gas in the garage and ended up breaking the ring that holds the nozzle on. This can is not that old.

Then I removed the nozzle off another can that is similar and takes a team of engineers to operate.....rotate and slide and hope to god that the o-ring doesnt come off the end into the gas tank...if it does, that tank is shot.....

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Old 11/05/11, 09:16 PM
 
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Some people call it progress. I'd like to see some real progress, like a gas can nozzle that goes through that #@@# ring inside the filler tube.

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Old 11/05/11, 09:38 PM
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Dont you just love a combination of govt regulation and corporate greed. Walking hand in hand off into the sunset....

I've not tried redesigning one of the plastic gas can spouts. But I have some old steel jerry cans I use for diesel. I used to have a steel flex spout. Well it leaked and wasnt great, but sort a worked. It got misplaced or run over or something, cant remember. Anyway I wasnt going to give big bucks for another one (they are crazy priced). I just went to lowes and bought some pvc fittings and made a spout that screwed into the jerry can. Best spout ever. I imagine something like that is way to one has to fix the plastic cans too though the plastic cans dont use pipe threads so not going to find fittings that just screw on. You'll have to be creative coming up with an alternative flange for the spout.

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Old 11/05/11, 09:47 PM
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Ah yes you are talking about the new ones.
I Absolutely LOVE them~!!!!!!!!!!
Which means now with my arthritic hands and wrists, FINALLY and fill the gas tanks easily.
Now all i have to do is Rest that new nozzle on the lip of the tank and tip the entire gas can up and the weight of the can pushes down and the spout opens and fills the tank up. I then can lift it back up the nozzle snaps closed, and NOT ONE DROP of gas is being spilled. Fantastic idea.
This is even when using a 6 gallon gas can too. So it is HEAVY, I absolutely will be switching over my small gas can as well to the new nozzles.

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Old 11/06/11, 07:26 AM
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Eagle metal cans are the only ones worth their salt! Pricey, but they are metal, USA made, and the last cans I'll buy.

They don't have the stupid contraptions.

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Old 11/06/11, 07:48 AM
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The new nozzels are designed such as they get their air from inside the tank, not from the other end of the handle. I merely drill in a hole and put a lag bolt in it for air flow. Somehow the end cap keeps getting lost. I tapered down a short section of dowel rod to replace it.

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Old 11/06/11, 08:31 AM
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House full of new can haters here, too. Poor DH can no longer figure out how to open the %&** thing to re-fill it, as he's often doing it one handed. DS, our mechanical genius, is at a total loss on how to work the darn things. I can do it, but hate getting called away from what I'm doing to deal with it. We are planning to take a drummel tool to one of those lids and see if we can at least cut off the ratcheting latch! That will help the re-filling, but we'll still be stuck with the nightmare pouring it.

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Hate them too, I replace them as soon as possible. I've been finding old spouts at garage sales and flea markets to replace the newfangled spouts. Last night I had to put 4 gallons in my car (running too low) and as usual, my hands got drenched with the $$$ gas I had in there.
I seriously doubt whether the improvements were made for the disabled. It was the EPA that deemed that fumes destroy the ozone layer. What they didn't get was that the average Joe overrides the "safety" factors on changes like this and the pollution problem is even greater with the new spouts as they are not in use.

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Ken, instead of keeping up with a seperate plug.
Drill a hole in the plastic can and screw in a radiator style drain plug. Open it to let air in while pouring. This is probably a violation of some federal environmental law.
When your done just close till it stops. Don't tighten it closed. This keeps it from coming loose from the plastic.

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Old 11/06/11, 08:49 AM
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The new nozzels are designed such as they get their air from inside the tank, not from the other end of the handle. I merely drill in a hole and put a log bolt in it for air flow. Somehow the end cap keeps getting lost. I tapered down a short section of dowel rod to replace it.
Yes that is correct. That is why it works so well and a older cans that already have that vent hole on the other side. LOL
That 6 gallon gan I have the new nozzle on is over 15 years old. The new nozzles works great on those kind of older gas cans.
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Progress: Something that takes the place of something better!!! If the government is going to make us use %@#%^ ethanol gasoline they can at least let us have good gas can nozzles!!

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Old 11/06/11, 10:42 AM
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The gas can spout change is your gooberment at work. The new spouts are not supposed to spill and release gasoline into the environment. I like the old style spout with the vent on one side and a translucent, corregated spout on the other. You just open the vent, remove the cap, and pull the spout out. I like them because you can bend the spout into the opening on the tank and you don't spill any trying to get the spout into the opening. It might leak a few drops where the spout comes out of the can. When you try to pour from the new style you have to try to line up the spout with the opening in the tank as you start pouring. I usually miss and spill up to a half cup of gas. This is not an improvement on how much gas gets spilled. The gooberment employees have to justify their jobs.

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Old 11/06/11, 11:47 AM
 
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I borrowed one of those newer, expensive metal cans, that now have the flexible metal pour spout, that you have to squeeze two handles together to get it to pour out.

After a minute or so that that, one will appreciate having a "kung fu grip" ( I don't).

I did feel "safer" using it.

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I hate them too, but I wouldn't worry about that o ring. It won't interfere with the draw in older vehicles, and the newer ones have a filter sock that will keep them out of the pump.

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Old 11/06/11, 10:42 PM
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Ah yes you are talking about the new ones.
I Absolutely LOVE them~!!!!!!!!!!
Which means now with my arthritic hands and wrists, FINALLY and fill the gas tanks easily.
Now all i have to do is Rest that new nozzle on the lip of the tank and tip the entire gas can up and the weight of the can pushes down and the spout opens and fills the tank up. I then can lift it back up the nozzle snaps closed, and NOT ONE DROP of gas is being spilled. Fantastic idea.
This is even when using a 6 gallon gas can too. So it is HEAVY, I absolutely will be switching over my small gas can as well to the new nozzles.
AK, you must be using a different kind than me! I loathe them... I did an internet search, trying to find the sorry sack of .... that 'invented' em, so I could send disparaging comments their way...

I can fill them up... no problem. I have not once been able to unfill them even once, without spilling fuel. The short nozzles are ........ worthless... less than worthless.

A month or so after they mandated these new spouts, I saw in my local Ace store, 'kits' with the old spouts, with multiple fittings. Replaced my main containers worthless spouts.

Two months ago, I needed another one, and got one locally. Filled it with fuel. Two hours later, I set some groceries in the back of the truck, and accidentally bumped the tank... gasoline blew out the nozzle and blinded me. Luckily, I had some micro water bottles in my toolbox... I was able to find the bottles blinded, opened several and started flushing my eyes out... "seeing" was iffy for the next hour. Can imagine what kind of condition I'd'a been in if this happened down in the remote river bottom, and I didn't have water handy. Odds are, my eyes would have been seriously blistered.

Ever meet the gent who invented the nozzles, or the congresscritter that mandated it, I do believe I'd chump slap or puke on em...

Can ya'll tell how much I actually do 'love' the new cans?
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Old 11/06/11, 11:20 PM
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AK, you must be using a different kind than me! I loathe them... I did an internet search, trying to find the sorry sack of .... that 'invented' em, so I could send disparaging comments their way...

I can fill them up... no problem. I have not once been able to unfill them even once, without spilling fuel. The short nozzles are ........ worthless... less than worthless.

A month or so after they mandated these new spouts, I saw in my local Ace store, 'kits' with the old spouts, with multiple fittings. Replaced my main containers worthless spouts.

Two months ago, I needed another one, and got one locally. Filled it with fuel. Two hours later, I set some groceries in the back of the truck, and accidentally bumped the tank... gasoline blew out the nozzle and blinded me. Luckily, I had some micro water bottles in my toolbox... I was able to find the bottles blinded, opened several and started flushing my eyes out... "seeing" was iffy for the next hour. Can imagine what kind of condition I'd'a been in if this happened down in the remote river bottom, and I didn't have water handy. Odds are, my eyes would have been seriously blistered.

Ever meet the gent who invented the nozzles, or the congresscritter that mandated it, I do believe I'd chump slap or puke on em...

Can ya'll tell how much I actually do 'love' the new cans?
This is what I have and love it.

You see the Entire from section the top 4 inches or so, slides down to let the gas out, It has a Lip that I can rest on the top of the gas tank, and press the gas can Downward to open the nozzle and bingo all the fuel goes in without a spill.
Lift it up a little the nozzle is spring loaded and it snaps closed again no spillage.
I have them at my Farm and Fleet store and this will fit the offer plastic gas cans. Like I said my can is a 6 gallon one roughly 15 years old.
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This is what I have and love it.

You see the Entire from section the top 4 inches or so, slides down to let the gas out, It has a Lip that I can rest on the top of the gas tank, and press the gas can Downward to open the nozzle and bingo all the fuel goes in without a spill.
Lift it up a little the nozzle is spring loaded and it snaps closed again no spillage.
I have them at my Farm and Fleet store and this will fit the offer plastic gas cans. Like I said my can is a 6 gallon one roughly 15 years old.
i bought one of these but didn't know and when I went to pour some in my car I almost gave up because there were no instructions on the can or spout, only an arrow on the spout that gave me no clue.
it wasn't bad once I figured it out but man it was frustrating!
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If you notice the new ones are CARB (CALIFORNIA Air Resources Board) compliant. As usual, California came up with an idiotic idea, and our bigger idiots in the EPA thought it was such a smashing idea they made it a regulation for all of us. Regulation, not statute, not law, no legislation from congress, either at the California or federal level. Yet another example of an out of control bureaucracy at work.

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Someone is going to hurt themselves with these new gas can contraptions.

Have you noticed the contorted posture you have to assume to pour gas from one of these alone ? LOL

Gas can spout design fail.....

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Old 11/07/11, 08:05 AM
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Went to fill up a can the other day and snapped the top right off putting it back on.

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Ok, so I have the same gas can I bought 17 or 18 years ago, what am I missing?

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Old 11/07/11, 10:22 AM
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This is what I have and love it.

You see the Entire from section the top 4 inches or so, slides down to let the gas out, It has a Lip that I can rest on the top of the gas tank, and press the gas can Downward to open the nozzle and bingo all the fuel goes in without a spill.
Lift it up a little the nozzle is spring loaded and it snaps closed again no spillage.
I have them at my Farm and Fleet store and this will fit the offer plastic gas cans. Like I said my can is a 6 gallon one roughly 15 years old.
This is an aftermarket attachment, right? No problem with those... it's the CARB compliant nozzles that come with the new tanks that I have 'issues' with...
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States Begin to Tighten Up on Gas Can Emissions
Kim Phelan
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04/28/2003
While EPA’s proposed federal controls on construction equipment emissions popped up in the public news media in mid-April and topped front pages of major metropolitan newspapers, a less publicized environmental regulation is spreading to a growing number of states and promises to impact the rental industry much sooner. Portable fuel containers (otherwise known as gas cans) and the hydrocarbons they emit into the environment have come under the scrutiny of state air quality boards seeking to reduce air pollutants. The effects of manufacturing standards for these products are drifting into distribution channels, and rental operations that both sell and loan gas cans with equipment rental transactions must be alert to varying enforcement interpretations to avoid penalties. The leader of the pack on regulating fuel containers is California, whose Air Resources Board (ARB) adopted emissions and spill-control regulations for gas cans and gas can spouts late in 1999, which became effective at the beginning of 2001. Having determined that gas cans account for approximately 87 tons per day of smog-forming pollution, equal to emissions from about a million cars, the agency enacted a regulation that prohibited the sale of non-compliant gas cans after Jan. 1, 2001. An ARB spokesman tells RentalPulse that it definitely expects rental stores to comply with the gas can rule. “In California we view this regulation as applying to rental yards,” says Communications Director Rich Varenchik, speaking on behalf of a board enforcement official. “First, a rental yard is a retailer, and second, a rental yard provides underlying supplies such as portable fuel containers [with rented equipment]. Therefore, a rental yard is subject to the regulation. It’s irrelevant whether the rental yard imposes a service charge or not for the use of the container.” No rental store may currently sell or otherwise distribute plastic gas cans that were made before 2001. Consumers are not affected by the regulation. The state’s homeowners may continue using older, non-conforming gas cans to fill lawnmowers and other gas-operated engines for private use. California’s ARB identified five ways that gas cans contribute emission pollutants: evaporation and spillage during transportation and storage; spillage and/or over-filling as fuel is being dispensed; permeation of vapors through walls of plastic containers; spillage and evaporation through secondary vent holes; and vapors escaping while fuel is being dispensed. The regulation will help reduce reactive organic gases that escape into the air by 73 percent by 2010, ARB estimates. The regulation requires that gas cans sold since Day 1 of ’01 must:
Have an automatic shut-off spout;
Have a permeation barrier that chemically seals in vapors and prevents leakage through plastic;
Be marked “spill-proof system” or “spill-proof spout;”
Meet minimum flow rates established for each size container;
And must meet all test standards of Calif. Section 2477 regulation.

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I still haven't figured out how to take the top off to add gas in..and I spill it everywhere trying to hit the gas tank I am aiming for.

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Hate them too, I replace them as soon as possible. I've been finding old spouts at garage sales and flea markets to replace the newfangled spouts. Last night I had to put 4 gallons in my car (running too low) and as usual, my hands got drenched with the $$$ gas I had in there.
I seriously doubt whether the improvements were made for the disabled. It was the EPA that deemed that fumes destroy the ozone layer. What they didn't get was that the average Joe overrides the "safety" factors on changes like this and the pollution problem is even greater with the new spouts as they are not in use.
That and the kid proofing together are what's making unbearable. No fumes and has to impossible for a room full of little kids to get into it..

Though they drastically underestimate the inventiveness of little kids..
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This is an aftermarket attachment, right? No problem with those... it's the CARB compliant nozzles that come with the new tanks that I have 'issues' with...
Nope that's what is on em all now.. I had to buy one last fall, without driving 20 miles the only place is the local gas station.. Got a gallon can with one of those on it, I guess it's regulation now for all new gas cans.

It ok if you are using it to put gas in a modern car. As someone said, twist the nozzle and the end of it is made to fit just right into the little hole in the cars filler that used to be there to prevent ya from putting the larger unleaded gas spouts into an unleaded gas only car's gas tank filler.

So the spring loaded nozzle fits right in the cars little filler hole, and you push down and it opens the nozzle, if the nozzle comes out of the cars filler, it shuts itself with that spring loaded sleeve, no drips. Easy no spill gas in your modern car.

Problem is I needed it for mix gas for the chainsaw. Trying to get gas out of that nozzle into a chainsaw, or weedeater, or whatever other than a car you have to twist it, and then pull the spring loaded part back and hold it there, while also holding up the tank steady enough to pour into something.
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Nope that's what is on em all now.. I had to buy one last fall, without driving 20 miles the only place is the local gas station.. Got a gallon can with one of those on it, I guess it's regulation now for all new gas cans.

It ok if you are using it to put gas in a modern car. As someone said, twist the nozzle and the end of it is made to fit just right into the little hole in the cars filler that used to be there to prevent ya from putting the larger unleaded gas spouts into an unleaded gas only car's gas tank filler.

So the spring loaded nozzle fits right in the cars little filler hole, and you push down and it opens the nozzle, if the nozzle comes out of the cars filler, it shuts itself with that spring loaded sleeve, no drips. Easy no spill gas in your modern car.

Problem is I needed it for mix gas for the chainsaw. Trying to get gas out of that nozzle into a chainsaw, or weedeater, or whatever other than a car you have to twist it, and then pull the spring loaded part back and hold it there, while also holding up the tank steady enough to pour into something.
I have one of those pieces of garbage too and it doesnt bend or allow me to get the gas into 2 of my 3 vehicles without a separate funnel, which then creates an issue with trying to keep the spring loaded spout pushed down while trying to balance the funnel. I spill way more gas than I ever did with a normal spout and I dont even try on the smaller tanks like a chainsaw. I have also found that it pours slower while it struggles to intake air and you cant get all of the fuel out of one of these through the spout.
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I have a really old antique can that hubby does not like. He used those big plastic ones and we fill them for the boat so we get to see just how much they can leak too, not bad but a little bit each time. My favorite gas can is the old antique metal can...does not spill a drop and I found an antique funnel to match...love them both. He uses the new plastic cans because they hold one more gallon of gas...???

When I go out to get gas...I grab My Antique Can.

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As is usual with this forum, lots of fantasy and blaming of the evil government, without any fact checking. In fact this specific subject, gas can nozzles, has been done several times over the past few years.

Fact is, the government did not design the evil nozzle you so dislike, nor did they ever mandate that design. All the EPA specified was that the nozzle close itself when you're not using it. The issue is evaporation, not spilling.

What you so hate is the Blitz nozzle. Blitz is a company, and they make the cheapest, but most popular gas can. Consumers want cheap junk, and Blitz provides it with enthusiasm.

There has never been a law making good gas cans illegal. Eagle still makes very good easy to use gas can. They aren't cheap though, and never were. So Walmart doesn't sell them, and people generally don't buy them. People prefer to buy cheap junk and scream it's all the governments fault.

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As is usual with this forum, lots of fantasy and blaming of the evil government, without any fact checking. In fact this specific subject, gas can nozzles, has been done several times over the past few years.

Fact is, the government did not design the evil nozzle you so dislike, nor did they ever mandate that design. All the EPA specified was that the nozzle close itself when you're not using it. The issue is evaporation, not spilling.

What you so hate is the Blitz nozzle. Blitz is a company, and they make the cheapest, but most popular gas can. Consumers want cheap junk, and Blitz provides it with enthusiasm.

There has never been a law making good gas cans illegal. Eagle still makes very good easy to use gas can. They aren't cheap though, and never were. So Walmart doesn't sell them, and people generally don't buy them. People prefer to buy cheap junk and scream it's all the governments fault.
I think you kind of missed the point that the "new and improved" gas cans are just not very good. Its darn hard to find a gas can around here that doesnt have the new nozzle no matter how much you want to spend and my lament is that they have produced an inferior product that doesnt work as well as the older ones.
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