E85 , In your NON E85 Vehicle......?

[fordy]

...............The EPA is going too force everyone to use E15 regardless of whether you can run it in your vehicle , or NOT ! My 2003 Chevy dually , 8.1 may or maynot beable too use this crap fuel but the EPA doesn't care whether it causes ME any problems or NOT!
................Just wait till you take a ride on your snowmobile into remote territory and E85 causes engine problems , who you gonna call ? Older lawmowers and Chainsaws will probably have problems as well !
.................Well , I made a mistake , I should have stated E15 instead of E85 , Sorry ! , fordy

[tiogacounty]

Ethanol, the great fraud of the AG. industry. No, your car, truck or lawnmower doesn't matter in the least to the corrupt and powerful. Follow the money. Like the oil industry, the AG. industry gets tens billions of our tax dollars handed to them, every year, for absolutely no reason other than their ability to manipulate a criminally corrupt federal government. It won't stop at E15, there is too much money to be made by stealing from the government. If you attempt to make a case for brewing a single gallon of Ethanol without the "support" of the feds, it doesn't work. You get fuel that damages your vehicle because the government is in bed with big AG. and screwing all of us. When are the idiot voters of this country going to learn that we are racing off a cliff, and it's due to issues like this? Not medicare, or SS, but a corrupt system of corporate welfare that we waste hundreds of billions of our borrowed Chinese dollars on, every year!!!

[lonelyfarmgirl]

the E fuel is a waste of taxpayer dollars and not sustainable. the amount of input energy used to make it is very high. The ongoing joke around here is the fuel pipe running into the plant is bigger than the fuel pipe running out.

There is an article in the farm paper yesterday saying the govt is giving funding to install 10,000 more E pumps in this state because people aren't using the ones that are here. They want to make them more 'available'.

DH is a mechanic, and he says the stuff increases engine wear, eats bearings and decreases gas mileage. There are some stations in this area that advertise on their marquis, no ethanol. Those stations are always busy.

[buffalocreek]

Ethanol is the high fructose corn syrup of the AG world.

[Reptyle]

Wait 'til you run it in your outboard motor. It's causing some serious problems.

[Wisconsin Ann]

oh man....I hope you're kidding, fordy. We mistakenly put e85 in the honda goldwing and within a mile it stopped. dead. the fuel just ate the rubber rings, etc. Needs a whole new engine rebuld.

E15 is as bad, just takes longer to eat through anything that isn't specially formulated plastics. sheesh. All the generators out there that run on gasoline are going to be needing upgrades now.

[Rick]

Originally Posted by tiogacounty

Ethanol, the great fraud of the AG. industry......... When are the idiot voters of this country going to learn that we are racing off a cliff, and it's due to issues like this? Not medicare, or SS, but a corrupt system of corporate welfare that we waste hundreds of billions of our borrowed Chinese dollars on, every year!!!

My guess is our lobbied and bribed elected officials will sing a different tune when the starving population they have cheated
lash out at them physically.

[arabian knight]

Yes there is going to be a lot of cars that will not take this E15 Right in the owners manual of my '94 Buick it says don't go Over E10 10% Ethanol mix.~!
Not sure how much damage that extra 5% will do. Maybe nothing at all.
I remember back when I was living in AZ. and they would switch to Oxygenated gas in the winter months. And of course that was unleaded.
Back then I was driving a 1968 chevy LONG before any unleaded was around.
But when they switched to that MTBE, and other additives that old Chevy LOVED it~!
Had more power no ping, better performance. So my fears about it hurting that car was soon put to rest.
The car run much better. And about using unleaded fuels in that old car, I am sure that the valves had so much "carbon" on them over all those years that I never worried about unleaded fuel being bad on that engine at all.
But even My '94 Buick has the better rubber components in it that it can run and has been running on E10, for all these years that just maybe at least I hope that the extra 5% will not really be a factor.
And as fear as lawn mowers etc. Yes I have had to rebuilt the carburetors a couple of times really just rebuild the fuel pump in them that is all, and put in new needle valve in my snowblower twice over he years but that is no biggy. And I have never had any trouble what so ever with my weed eaters and now they are going on 14 years old never have had to replace a thing in them, and been using E10 now for all those years as well. And when I store the equipment I always use Sta-bil, and another friend uses Seafoam in his snowmobiles with no problems.

[tinknal]

My '95 chevy truck has over 200,000 miles on E10 with no problems.

[marinemomtatt]

We've been having trouble keeping our Stihl chainsaws running, then the property owner bought some Non ethanol fuel for his '38' Buick and gave us a gallon, the saws start right up and work through the day.

[fantasymaker]

My 90 dodge PU runs fine on E85
But it starts a bit harder.
Id like to have a truck built to run on E85 from the start. High compression long stroke and ethanal compatable everything.

[PhilJohnson]

Not a big fan of E-10. I've noticed lower fuel mileage with it (2-4 mpg less) over no ethanol fuel. Ethanol is nothing but a big sham used to prop up the price of corn. It is expensive to produce, energy intensive, and if it wasn't for massive government subsidies it would not be profitable. I've tried E-85 in two different vehicles. They both got horrid fuel economy (almost half), started hard, had less power. On the plus side the exhaust smelled better. The 77 F100 I was able to run ok on it by running it 3/4 choke although it still got lousy fuel economy. Even at two thirds the cost E-85 wasn't worth it because of the mileage drop. If the US really wanted a clean domestically produced fuel they would go with CNG.

[texican]

It's good for you, peons, now shut up and like it. Or else.

Where's the sarcasm smiley? when you need it.....

I recently had a brand new engine, and couldn't get it to start, for nothing. Realized my gas was a MONTH old, and that was the culprit... the gas was polluted with the ethanol degradates... Had to take the air breather off, and prime the carb directly with gas to get it started. Choke and sputter and finally limp into running...

"Shore" would be nice if we could get 'farm gas', like we do off road diesel. It's a 'female dog' trying to run a chainsaw on this watered down swill they call gas.

Ethanol is a bad idea, all around... now that billions have been invested, I doubt if it'll go away. Perhaps a "new political party" will say something about it, if they ever wrest control away from the current parties in charge.

[fordy]

................I've been told that Chesapeake , etal. are pushing all 3 auto companies too start producing LNG vehicles , esp. pickups right off the assembly line ! There is SO much Fed. money being fraced down the Ethanol rathole that they don't want too change course ! Same thing for Diesels , If LNG and diesels were being given equal emphasis as Ethanol , Ethanol would simply die on the vine . Efficiency wise it takes more Btu's too make ethanol than it produces in actual savings . , fordy

[Sandhills]

E10 causes vapor lock in some vehicles on a hot day. It has something to do with the position of the fuel line.

[arabian knight]

I doubt if it will go away either.
Nascar is now running E15 in their cars.
Soon to switch to 100% Ethanol
The Indy type cars have been using 100% Ethanol now for a few years.

[65284]

Lng????

[lonelyfarmgirl]

One of the worst things is now they are producing corn just for ethanol. It has no food value whatsoever, so all this corn, that may one day go by the way side, can't feed the masses, and it might cross pollinate food corn, and make the resulting offspring have less nutritional value.

[Allen W]

Originally Posted by fordy

................I've been told that Chesapeake , etal. are pushing all 3 auto companies too start producing LNG vehicles , esp. pickups right off the assembly line ! There is SO much Fed. money being fraced down the Ethanol rathole that they don't want too change course ! Same thing for Diesels , If LNG and diesels were being given equal emphasis as Ethanol , Ethanol would simply die on the vine . Efficiency wise it takes more Btu's too make ethanol than it produces in actual savings . , fordy

Chesapeak looks out for Chesapeak, they are one of the leading natural gas producers in the US. Millions of people depend on natural gas to heat with and generate electricity as well as industrial use. If it becomes a mainstrem auto and truck fuel source what is the true cost going to be? Remember it comes out of the same hole in the ground as crude oil.

[Joshie]

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