Deep well submersible pump question

InHisName · #1 04/03/11, 11:53 PM

We are wanting to replace our deep well 2 hp pump with a 1hp pump- any reccomendations would be appreciated. Depth of our well is 220 ft- distance from house, 120 feet- static level, 50 feet. What about Tuhorse, Flotec or Wayne pumps? Thanks-

Drizler · #2 04/04/11, 07:53 AM

I have used a Flowtec without incident for 16 years for hard water and 150' well. Mine is a 1hp with about 50 ' of line. Most of the pros around here use Meyers. Meyers is a better pump though a lot more expensive. If I couldn't pull my own easily I would always go with the Meyers just for dependablility.
Make sure you put in the plastic spacers when you put the line into the well casing. They don't cost much and keep the torque of the motor starting and stopping from wearing and fraying wires ect. Also don't even think of not using a pitless adapter to hook into your vertical drop or you will regret it later. It's a good idea to make up a puller too while you are doing it all. All you need is an 8' and 2- 1' plieces of pipe ( I think an inch steel). If you ever need to pull it, and you will; you won't have to go hunting and borrowing.

Wolf mom · #3 04/04/11, 10:16 AM

I, too, have a 1 HP submersable pump in a 350' well for 5 acres.

Why do you want to replace your 2 HP with a 1 HP?

Just askin..

motdaugrnds · #4 04/04/11, 11:13 AM

Drizler, we have a pitless adapter and have had to pull the pump several times since it was put in back in 1995. It is terribly difficult to get it up out of our little 79' well. Can you explain please how to use those "...8' and 2- 1' plieces..." of steel pipe? (I am thinking you mean one 8 ft long piece and two 1 ft long piece of "solid" steel.)

Drizler · #5 04/04/11, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by motdaugrnds

Drizler, we have a pitless adapter and have had to pull the pump several times since it was put in back in 1995. It is terribly difficult to get it up out of our little 79' well. Can you explain please how to use those "...8' and 2- 1' plieces..." of steel pipe? (I am thinking you mean one 8 ft long piece and two 1 ft long piece of "solid" steel.)

OK, I am back at home now and just measured it. Mine is simply this.
1 piece of 8' galvanized steel water pipe
1 "TEE" 1"
2 6" long 1" pieces or nipples, whatever

I can't remember if you need to thread the end of the long pipe (both have to be MALE) or it came that way. Whatever both ends need to be male and thread them together. Paint it bright color of your choice and hang it in the basement or garage so you don't lose track of it easily and you're ready for action. You just screw it down into the top threads of the pitless adapter and wrastle that anaconda up out of there. I did the 150' all by myself though it wasn't easy. That well tool is a real godsend and doesn't cost an arm and leg

The guy at the local hardware store told me about it and it sure saved me a lot of

rambler · #6 04/04/11, 12:00 PM

You are basically making a Tee shaped handle that threads into the adaptor to pull it up.

--->Paul

Drizler · #7 04/04/11, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by rambler

You are basically making a Tee shaped handle that threads into the adaptor to pull it up.

--->Paul

Yup, that;s all it is. Like a lot of other simple things it sure makes the whole job a lot easier.........................

agmantoo · #8 04/04/11, 12:28 PM

What is the recharge rate of the well and how many people are being served with water. I use Goulds pumps. When I get the info I will use the charts and get you a pump number that is designed for your situation.

motdaugrnds · #9 04/04/11, 11:12 PM

Ok this is getting confusing to me.

Drizler, you stated, "...It's a good idea to make up a puller too while you are doing it all. All you need is an 8' and 2- 1' pieces of pipe..."

I actually misread it and thought you said "pulley"; so I asked how you used those pieces of pipe to make that pully and you stated, you put the pieces together and, "...You just screw it down into the top threads of the pitless adapter and wrastle that anaconda up out of there..."

Drizler, our pitless adapter is "permanently" attached to the well casing. It doesn't come out. Our submersable water pump is sitting near bottom of water (about 79 ft down) and it is the pump that needs to be pulled out .. not the pitless adapter.

The pump has a long metal rod on it with a "T" attached to the top of it; so all David has to do is grab that "T" and pull the well pump out. The problem lies in the fact it is so very heavy! I thought you were talking about some type of "pully" that would help in pulling the pump out of the casing.

InHisName · #10 04/04/11, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolf mom

I, too, have a 1 HP submersable pump in a 350' well for 5 acres.

Why do you want to replace your 2 HP with a 1 HP?

Just askin..

Because the 2hp is too big- it cycles too often. We intended on irrigating a field when we built the house, but that has not been necessary.

Agmantoo, 3 people are being served, as well as 6 goats, 15 sheep, and under 100 chickens, large garden, and small orchard.

Not sure of the recharge- they told us 35 gal per minute- we think that is wrong.

agmantoo · #11 04/05/11, 02:13 PM

InHisName,

IMO you are approaching the perceived problem incorrectly.

You already have the 2 hp installed.

The frequency that the pump starts and stops is determined by how much storage you have and the amount of water used.

The length of time the pump runs is based on the volume of water pumped into a storage tank of a specific storage capacity with the pressure switch setting remaining set as is. At you well depth, lowering the horsepower much lower could make the pump run longer but it would not be significantly longer unless the pump was sized too low and then you would have a major pressure drop when using a lot of water.

Your best solution is to buy a much larger bladder storage tank. This would accomplish the following. The wear and tear on the pump itself would be reduced. The number of starts and the associated current draw would diminish creating a longer life of the associated components. You would have a lot more water in reserve in event of a power outage. You would avoid the expense of a different pump which would be greater than a new larger tank. Your power consumption in the total time the pump is running would be less with the larger tank. Additionally, at the depth the pump you now have is located I doubt that it is using the power a 2 hp pump would if it were at a much deeper depth. An electric motor has the characteristic that it will only use the power required to accomplish the task. Flexcon is a company that manufacturs bladder tanks under roughly 5 brands. Those are the best tanks on the market IMO.

rambler · #12 04/05/11, 11:02 PM

I had typed up a reply about what Agman said this noon, but didn't post it. Figured see what he would say.

I agree with him, if your current pump is working, I'd think the 'problem' you have won't go away with a 1hp pump, but should if you get a bigger pressure tank.

--->Paul

InHisName · #13 04/05/11, 11:49 PM

Thank you so much for that information- sounds like a better plan.

agmantoo · #14 04/06/11, 12:40 AM

This is a postscript to my response above. Do not buy a Well Mate tank as they are short lived. You would think the ability to change the bladder to be a plus but the bladder is overly expensive to the point the savings are pocket change. you may find this interesting http://www.flexconind.com/worldsfreshestwater/