Lawmakers support repeal of MO Proposition B

[Heritagefarm]

http://missouriruralist.com/story.aspx?s=43563&c=9
"Missouri lawmakers, in both the House and Senate, said they would support efforts by dog breeders and agricultural groups to repeal or dilute Proposition B, the so-called "Puppy Mill Prevention Act," passed by voters Nov. 2. "

[terri46355]

Thanks for the news. It is amazing how slick commercials can sway people into not understanding the real purpose of the proposal.

[Lyra]

Making a buck wins out over Mother Nature once again.

[MO_cows]

Originally Posted by Lyra

Making a buck wins out over Mother Nature once again.

Care to explain that? Do you live in some alternate universe where no money is required?

[nehimama]

*sigh*

[nehimama]

THIS is the whole point! (Quote from article)

Ag groups also argued passage of the measure – strongly backed by the Humane Society of the United States and other animal rights groups --- was just the first step as these groups move on to try and regulate animal agriculture out of business.

[Lyra]

Originally Posted by nehimama

THIS is the whole point! (Quote from article)

Ag groups also argued passage of the measure – strongly backed by the Humane Society of the United States and other animal rights groups --- was just the first step as these groups move on to try and regulate animal agriculture out of business.

Yes, because we all want the end to farming. Humans hate food.

Seriously, this is all about corporate farming, bad breeders, and puppy mills able to do what they want.

[Lyra]

Originally Posted by MO_cows

Care to explain that? Do you live in some alternate universe where no money is required?

I get that for a lot of you it is a stretch of the imagination that people would actually care about animals and the welfare of other human beings. It is a sad world we live in.

[tinknal]

Originally Posted by Lyra

I get that for a lot of you it is a stretch of the imagination that people would actually care about animals and the welfare of other human beings. It is a sad world we live in.

The stated goal of HSUS, Peta, et al is to end all use of animals for any purpose. Their strategy is to pick off the "weak links" one by one. Fur farms, whaling, trapping, bow hunting, etc. They don't want you to have the right to eat meat. They don't want you to have the right to use leather. They do not want you to have the right to eat HONEY!!!

This is the slippery slope that makes all that possible. You are a certifiable fool if you believe otherwise.

[Lyra]

Originally Posted by tinknal

The stated goal of HSUS, Peta, et al is to end all use of animals for any purpose. Their strategy is to pick off the "weak links" one by one. Fur farms, whaling, trapping, bow hunting, etc. They don't want you to have the right to eat meat. They don't want you to have the right to use leather. They do not want you to have the right to eat HONEY!!!

This is the slippery slope that makes all that possible. You are a certifiable fool if you believe otherwise.

No, a fool is someone that believes all the votes against puppy mills were by PETA members. You really should look into where your food comes from before you start believing all the Pro-Puppy Mill and Corporate farming propaganda.

[tlrnnp67]

[QUOTE=tinknal;4748995]The stated goal of HSUS, Peta, et al is to end all use of animals for any purpose. Their strategy is to pick off the "weak links" one by one. Fur farms, whaling, trapping, bow hunting, etc. They don't want you to have the right to eat meat. They don't want you to have the right to use leather. They do not want you to have the right to eat HONEY!!!QUOTE]

And PETA's CEO, Ingrid Newkirk, is a big ole' hypocrite. She is an insulin-dependent diabetic, and last I checked, insulin is derived from (gasp) pigs!

[fishhead]

It sounds like the puppy mill scum were able to trick ag people into believing they would be affected by the puppy mill law. It always helps to drag other people into your side of a fight even if it has nothing to do with them.

[Lyra]

Originally Posted by fishhead

It sounds like the puppy mill scum were able to trick ag people into believing they would be affected by the puppy mill law. It always helps to drag other people into your side of a fight even if it has nothing to do with them.

Yes. It is the same as the marijuana vote out in California. One of the major backers was corporate farming. Their interest had nothing to do with individual rights.

[MO_cows]

Originally Posted by Lyra

I get that for a lot of you it is a stretch of the imagination that people would actually care about animals and the welfare of other human beings. It is a sad world we live in.

If you believe that everyone with animals involved in their making a living, doesn't care about them, yes indeed that is sad.

[jacqueg]

Point of fact - all insulin is not derived from pigs. Apparently, you haven't checked on this since 1982, when the first synthetic insulin was introduced.

"Insulin production from animal pancreases was widespread for decades, but very few patients today rely on insulin from animal sources, largely because few pharmaceutical companies sell it anymore."

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin_therapy

[arabian knight]

Originally Posted by Lyra

Yes. It is the same as the marijuana vote out in California. One of the major backers was corporate farming. Their interest had nothing to do with individual rights.

True and to let this bill go away is not good at all. It should be kept in place.

[Joshie]

Originally Posted by Lyra

No, a fool is someone that believes all the votes against puppy mills were by PETA members.

Of course not. PETA and HSUS manipulated people with their propaganda. Heck, my girl, around age 10, saw one of those PETA propaganda videos about how KFC purposely abuses chickens and how she should never eat chicken again.

[tinknal]

Originally Posted by Lyra

No, a fool is someone that believes all the votes against puppy mills were by PETA members. You really should look into where your food comes from before you start believing all the Pro-Puppy Mill and Corporate farming propaganda.

are you seriously implying that I don't know where my food comes from? If so then you are a bigger fool than I thought.

The votes were not by "Peta members" They were by idiots who bought Peta's lies.

[MO_cows]

Originally Posted by Lyra

Yes, because we all want the end to farming. Humans hate food.

Seriously, this is all about corporate farming, bad breeders, and puppy mills able to do what they want.

Corporate farming is a tax status. Farmers incorporate for tax advantages and to keep succession for their farms passing to the next generation. Whether an operation is an Inc, an LLC, or a sole proprietership has nothing to do with their practices. This is a meaningless phrase.

Bad breeders - From the animal rights point of view, ALL breeders are bad. This logic is so warped there is nothing to discuss.

Puppy mills - People who raise dogs in poor conditions and without proper care, my definition of a puppy mill, are NOT the ones who are lawfully licensed with the state of MO and have made themselves subject to inspection. So, this new joke of a law does absolutely NOTHING about puppy mills. They will continue to operate under the radar until someone reports them to the authorities or the authorities discover them. Prop B changed nothing in this regard.

If the animal rights groups real intention was to put puppy mills out of business, they would have spent their money investigating and documenting them and then made reports to the proper authorities. This would have directly saved dogs lives and improved their living conditions. Instead, they chose a multi million dollar propaganda campaign to pass a bad law. These actions reveal their intentions.

[terri46355]

MO Cows, well put.

There are laws in place that control dog breeders (USDA). This proposal was another way to ensure that the government has more control over the people of the US, not about inhumane treatment of animals. Again, there are laws in place to protect dogs in this state. The police do take away mistreated animals from those who have them, and relocate them to better homes.

This measure was intended to make the government bigger. We will have increased taxes to hire the extra people it takes to create and maintain the buracracy.