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Old 11/08/10, 06:30 PM
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Cutting Pulpwood, is it worth it?

Anyone know what pulp wood is going for these days?

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I'm sure it varies all over the country. Last I heard here, it was about $25/ton. Call whoever is the buyer in your area and ask.

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I had a TJ 225D and a Barko 160 loader and if it was free i still couldn't make money

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Around here you can get $30 per ton but you must haul it 100 miles to the Kimberley Clark paper mill.

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Around here you can get $30 per ton but you must haul it 100 miles to the Kimberley Clark paper mill.
There is a mill in Wisconsin Rapids that is about 45 miles away from my place so it wouldn't be super far to go. At 30 per ton I think I would need to haul at least three tons to make it worth while.
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I had a TJ 225D and a Barko 160 loader and if it was free i still couldn't make money
Ouch! I don't think I would mess with it if is less than 30 bucks a ton. I guess I'll have to call up the mill tomorrow and find out for sure.
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If your labor was free, your fuel and wear/tear on truck and trailer were free, and your time were free... AND, you needed to thin out a stand of dense pines, maybe.

It would make sense if you needed lots of backbreaking labor, and needed the pines thinned.

Monetarily, it's a non starter.

Before you haul any, make double dog sure you get all their spec's. Most want ~16' minimum, and the minimum size of the top has to be so big. No limbs, or excessive needles, etc. Be a bummer to get a trailer loaded, and hauled, and have em turn you away. Which they can do at a moment's notice, if your load ain't kosher, or they're not needing any more wood for a while.

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Most loggers here don't cut pulp alone.....it's simply a by product of buying a tract with saw timber. I have a place 2 miles down the road from me that will buy anything down to 4" on the tip that you can drag in there....they either saw it into pallet lumber or chip for paper chips or boiler fuel.

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Ouch! I don't think I would mess with it if is less than 30 bucks a ton. I guess I'll have to call up the mill tomorrow and find out for sure.

What will you be using to skid and load with ?
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What will you be using to skid and load with ?
Depends on the location. Last year I helped a friend log of some of his woods. We took in about 4 cords to a local sawmill about 3 miles away. We used his parent's craptastic Leyland tractor and loader. It had no working power steering so it wasn't easy loading the logs. I hauled them in on an old hay wagon running gear pulled by my old 77 F100.

I have a small Case VAC that has no loader that I use sometimes to skid out logs. Using ramps or handy hills I've rolled up logs up to 10 feet long with a diameter of two feet by myself. It isn't very easy, pretty exhausting really. I plan on using a come-along and ramps this time. The 2 ton truck I have now is just a tad taller than the pickups and hay wagon combo I used before
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If your labor was free, your fuel and wear/tear on truck and trailer were free, and your time were free... AND, you needed to thin out a stand of dense pines, maybe.

It would make sense if you needed lots of backbreaking labor, and needed the pines thinned.

Monetarily, it's a non starter.

Before you haul any, make double dog sure you get all their spec's. Most want ~16' minimum, and the minimum size of the top has to be so big. No limbs, or excessive needles, etc. Be a bummer to get a trailer loaded, and hauled, and have em turn you away. Which they can do at a moment's notice, if your load ain't kosher, or they're not needing any more wood for a while.

good luck...
My parents have a very thick grove of small diameter pine they want cleared out. Most of the trees are under a foot diameter. I don't think a saw mill would want to mess with them so I figured instead I could make money selling them as pulp. I cleared out a huge mess of small pines a few years ago which I used for firewood.

I am definately going to check into their requirements first. I know first hand about not getting paid I got screwed over earlier this year by a small saw mill operator (Amish). Guy told me he needed a couple of cords so I went out and cut them and delivered the load. I got a whole 40 bucks out of the deal. He promised to pay me more later. Never seen any more money than the lousy 40 bucks that I practically had to twist his arm to get.
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If you were closer i got a set of drop bunks going in scrap iron one these days . And a hand set sawmill too

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I would think that selling your parents wood as firewood would net you more money than selling it as pulp.

There is no other market for the wood other than pulp??????

I'd be worried about liability while hauling those logs. What is your insurance going to say if you have a wreck, and they find out you were hauling for commercial sale???

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I would think that selling your parents wood as firewood would net you more money than selling it as pulp.

There is no other market for the wood other than pulp??????

I'd be worried about liability while hauling those logs. What is your insurance going to say if you have a wreck, and they find out you were hauling for commercial sale???
Green pine doesn't go for much as fire wood. If the trees were bigger I'd take them into one of the dozen of small mills that are around the area and get a much better price selling it for lumber.

As far as hauling them, I go slow and take the back roads. When I used my old Ford I don't think I broke 25 mph the whole way to the saw mill. The 2 ton truck is a bit bigger so I think I should be safe hauling at a faster rate of speed. The big truck doesn't go that fast anyway (about 45-50 wide open). I think with it loaded down with logs it would be lucky to break 40 mph. It is a risk for sure but the back roads around here are very lightly travelled.
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Up north, Potlatch takes pine, but only in 100 inch lengths, down to 4-5 inch tops. They can't handle any logs above 24 inches dia. I think they are paying $40 a cord. Aspen, poplar and smaller pine is around $30 a cord. Some places price by ton, some by cord.
You juust can't just show up with some logs to sell, it is all forward contracted.

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Ouch! I don't think I would mess with it if is less than 30 bucks a ton. I guess I'll have to call up the mill tomorrow and find out for sure.
The price I gave you was for Oak, I don't know about pine.That mill only buys Hardwoods to make Paper towels.
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What about using them for fence posts? Or cabin logs?

There must be some higher priced market than pulp.

Right now people are cutting boughs for making wreathes.

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What about using them for fence posts? Or cabin logs?

There must be some higher priced market than pulp.

Right now people are cutting boughs for making wreathes.
Hmmmm hadn't thought of boughs. I have heard of people selling them but I have no idea who buys them.
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I buy oak pulp cords for firewood. I pay $75 per cord

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here are the average prices in the southeast: http://www.timbermart-south.com/prices.html If you want to know the prices in your area, talk to a forester or google pulp wood prices in your state.

Around here, for pine, the average for pulp is ~$9/ton, Chip&saw is about double that, and saw lumber is about $28 a ton. Was looking earlier (first quarter) like we'd turned the corner and prices were rising, but now it looks like things are standing pat. Pulps slowly getting better because of the biofuel push... but I haven't seen $30 a ton prices in years.

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We sell pulp (firewood, pulp, biomass) and it pays but you have to sell a lot of volume, like million of units, before it is much. The big cost is felling, pulling and trucking. You as the log owner get little. Cabinetry logs and veneer is where we really make our money. The pulp pays for the work and a little.

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Phil, if it's your parents tract, and you've got a chance of inheriting it, you could see the labor as an investment in your own future.

I'd say good luck getting any extra money from the fella that promised you more later... BTDT... unless you've eaten at their table and broke bread, it's going to probably be a wash. My experience anyway!

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If you are near a tourist area you may be able to sell the seasoned pine for campfire wood. It sells for $3-$4 a small bundle here to the tourists.

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I talked to the loggers that are cutting logs next door to me. They can't sell pulp wood now even tho they have many loads cut and stacked. That is even through out the state. They don't want to go into another state because of the laws that regulate produces that cross state lines. they will wait and haul it to the mill when they want it.

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I'd vote for fence posts too. Neighbor on my way to work did that and it looks very nice. Nailed a metal cap on each one to help keep off the rain.

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Some outfits that treat pine for posts will trade treated posts for raw material pines. I do not know the trade ratio but you could sell what treated post you get rather easily.

If you are cutting the trees to later convert the land to fields/pasture you may be ahead by wasting the wood. It is much easier to remove whole trees than it is stumps and you will save more from the equipment expense that you will make from selling pulp.

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I would think that selling your parents wood as firewood would net you more money than selling it as pulp.

There is no other market for the wood other than pulp??????

I'd be worried about liability while hauling those logs. What is your insurance going to say if you have a wreck, and they find out you were hauling for commercial sale???
RULES! RULES! Wood Cutters don't follow no stinkin Rules Back when I was cutting Load my Truck Double what my Plates were For Bad Tires and all.Heck even hauled awhile with No Brakes on a Truck.Only need Brakes to stop.

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RULES! RULES! Wood Cutters don't follow no stinkin Rules Back when I was cutting Load my Truck Double what my Plates were For Bad Tires and all.Heck even hauled awhile with No Brakes on a Truck.Only need Brakes to stop.
Not a problem up here on the mountain but the people down in the valley may be concerned. There's a 90° corner down there. But don't worry. On the other side of the corner, straight ahead from your perspective, is a river. I'm sure that will catch your load.
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You all think Big Rockpile is joking don't you. I've seen what some of these guy's around here haul on but then again this is coming from a guy who rutinally hangs from a 3/4 rope swinging from barn roofs 60' in the air.

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RULES! RULES! Wood Cutters don't follow no stinkin Rules Back when I was cutting Load my Truck Double what my Plates were For Bad Tires and all.Heck even hauled awhile with No Brakes on a Truck.Only need Brakes to stop.

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Ha! Yeah I plan on getting the brakes working on mine. Right now all I have working is the parking brake. Might even try to get the lights to work Bought it for scrap price, found a set of ok free tires for it. I have two left to mount. The originals were so bad that I could rip out chunks of tire with my bare hands.

I tried getting hold of a forester up at the mill. Been thinking maybe I'd be better off letting the trees get a little larger and then take them into a saw mill. I do have other larger trees to cut that could be turned into lumber.
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