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08/22/10, 12:48 PM
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For Those Living in Gas Well Drilling Areas
For those of us who live in the areas of the recently "gold rush" of gas wells this might be interesting for all of us..The documentary is on HBO and called..Gasland...It tells the tales of families from all parts of the country..not just the PA area where we are..and what has happened with the gas drilling. I believe we have all been taken advantage of ..even if you were one of the "lucky" ones to have received ..great...compensation in $$$'s. Please let me know what you all think about the show..Since I don't have HBO but will try and get in to show on computer.
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08/22/10, 12:51 PM
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That movie made me glad I don't live in those areas.
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08/22/10, 12:59 PM
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The sad thing is that the many that have made dmoney from this or gotten "a piece of the pie" and sincerely..I am very glad for many of them..is that they can afford to move away from any problems that will sooner or later come to us..Where most will have to deal with the empty pie plate and live through it with no choice. Sad..and for what ??
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08/22/10, 01:08 PM
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We saw it at the theater in Tunkhannock. Anyone who ca see it should. I am just sick about this gas drilling stuff. Man in Tioga had all his cows quarantined. Also many many water wells throughout the macellus shale drilling contaminated. about a hundred acres up the road from me a family signed for a gas lease .
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08/22/10, 01:13 PM
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DH and I have seen the adversetisement for this documentary before and just can't bring ourselves to watch it. This issue has just about completely left us unable to purchase a homestead in our chosen area in central and western NY. We are already depressed about losing our ability to buy a homestead here and also about what is going to happen to (IMHO) one of the most beautiful agricultural areas in this country. Central NY was our dream for many years. Now we must find another place/state and start over (just can't figure out where!). Alas, all people see is the almighty dollar.
I am reminded of a quote from a Cree prophecy: Only after the last tree has been cut down, Only after the last river has been poisoned, Only after the last fish has been caught, Only then will you find money cannot be eaten.
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08/22/10, 01:45 PM
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I don't know anyone around here that got big bucks for the drilling. A lot of folks got big promises of big money and now a lot of them can't give their land away. I am thankful that our land is still not touched by them. They wanted a right of way for a line but can you imagine how many trees would be cut for a 50 foot wide path 1,000 ft long? Sam
PS meant to say the offered a whole 3.oo $ a ft.
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08/22/10, 01:48 PM
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If you dont sign the gas lease, they sign your neighbor, and drill sideways to get the gas under your property.
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08/22/10, 02:57 PM
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If you dont sign the gas lease, they sign your neighbor, and drill sideways to get the gas under your property.
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In Michigan, if they do that, you still get a check from them for your share.
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08/22/10, 03:23 PM
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Irish Pixie. Im not going by anything but what is actually happening. Google Tioga County PA.
Water wells, cattle quarantined because they ingested it. People lighting their well water on fire. This I have seen with my own eyes. All of this PA stuff is new, and unfolding around us.
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08/22/10, 03:28 PM
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There's a guy in my town right now (with no drilling) that can light the water in his facet because his water well hits a gas pocket. It was on local television and detailed in the local newspaper. That's beside the point, I was commenting on the movie, "Gasland" and the fact that it shouldn't be taken as gospel and is not scientific research.
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08/22/10, 05:15 PM
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The thing is blatant propaganda by an Enviro Nazi. It comes as close to the truth as Hansel and Gretel. And yes, I am in the business which means I actually know something about it.
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08/22/10, 05:54 PM
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I am a PA resident who is also against the drilling. We need to pressure the state government to ban it.
From the Pittsburgh Tribune:
The state Department of Environmental Protection logged 1,435 violations for gas companies over the past 2 1/2 years, including 952 the Pennsylvania Land Trust Association deemed as having the most potential to directly affect the environment.
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08/22/10, 06:31 PM
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The thing is blatant propaganda by an Enviro Nazi. It comes as close to the truth as Hansel and Gretel. And yes, I am in the business which means I actually know something about it.
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Forget the movie. Read the facts, what is actually happening in our part of PA. Im in the position to watch these things happen first hand, and a homeowner with no financial interest. My eyes are all I need, and I am utterly against it without improved regulation
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08/22/10, 06:34 PM
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Why don't you complainers wade through your state laws pertaining to Oil and Gas activity? You might be surprised at the penalties for violations. Here in Oklahoma, the maximum dollar penalty is $500.
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08/22/10, 06:42 PM
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Quote:
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The thing is blatant propaganda by an Enviro Nazi. It comes as close to the truth as Hansel and Gretel. And yes, I am in the business which means I actually know something about it.
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I agree and with this country so dependent on foreign oil, we must use what is in this country.
And start the shale oil in the West up and going.
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08/22/10, 08:26 PM
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Have any of you had wells drilled all around you. Heck the $500.00 penalty means nothing to them. They spent more than that half way fixing my driveway where it got in their way and I don't have a well on my place. The trucks just ran over the ends of the colvert and crushing it till they figured out something in the ditch was causing them to have flat tires. For almost a week I had to use the truck to get in and out of the drive. Had I not had pictures of them running over it they would not have fixed it. Take pictures and let them know you are. When the truck drivers would see me out with a camera their tires would never leave the pavement. The way to beat the depending on oil from other countries is quit buying gas hogs. I see people pull into the gro store in their big crew cab deisels and leave them idle whil the lady runs in and gets a loaf of bread. Hope you all have better luck making money off the wells than the folks in this part of the country have. Sam
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08/22/10, 09:01 PM
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I haven't seen the movie. I do belong to local forum on the Haynesville shale... and the forum owner saw it last month, and gave a pretty harsh critique of it (taking words out of context {similar to the USDA lady who got fired because of her racist rant given to the non-racist NAACP... later to find out the 'quotes' were out of context, using one time events to paint a negative picture of hundreds of thousands of wells, etc.).
I'm in the O&G Business, I do research on interests. ANYone who thinks they're gas is getting stolen should seek counsel. If you don't lease your minerals, your property can be surrounded on 3 sides, or telegraph poled in, and your minerals indeed will be taken. Only fools don't sign leases. If you're afraid of surface occupancy, you can easily request a no surface occupancy clause, and there'll be no wells, roads, etc. on your place.
I guess "fools" is a little harsh... I'll rephrase it. Anyone that doesn't sign a lease for an imminent well is a noble person, who's ideals won't be compromised by mere fortunes. I take my hat off to anyone who's deep in debt, struggling to survive, and will pass up the chance to pay off the farm, build a decent home, and put their children through college.....just on the upfront bonus money. And, it's even nobler to give away your minerals for free by not leasing (companies can legally drain the o&g from under your land if you don't lease... the wellbore just has to be x feet away. Your neighbors who did lease and the oil company will simply enjoy extra production without actually owning it. The noblest action of all is keeping one's hands clean of the monthly mail box check that could easily be more than a person makes working.
Production estimates nearby are quoting 5K/acre per year. Sounds high to me, but if only 500/acre year, it's real money.
Companies can drill 'under' someone else's property, it's done all the time with horizontal drilling... however, the fracked zones (where oil and gas seep into the drill pipe) must be under leased land. Some companies are leasing 7 acre pads and drilling over a mile away to their actual leases... easier than maintaining a well pad that might get underwater several months out of the year, or to avoid recalcitrant land (surface) owners.
Wish I was rich enough I could say "no".
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08/22/10, 09:18 PM
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coporations screwing the people...... that will never happen
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08/23/10, 08:29 AM
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.............If all rock was of the same "hardness" the fracing process would release the methane within thAt formation and it would travel UP the pipe and NOT into Fresh water zones where folks have drilled their water wells ! The drilling company supposedly ... sealed...off the bore hole by cementing the full length of the well . But , the fracturing process also can create a pathway for Some gas too move up the well on the Outside of the casing , this is Called.....Communication . Too acknowledge that the gas is getting into and polluting fresh water zones is to acknowledge responsibilty , by the gas producer . The fact is , that fracing produces results that no one can completely control , or predict the outcome , from , hence methane in water wells ! , fordy 
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