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Old 07/09/10, 09:49 PM
 
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hugelkultur - gardening/farming without irrigation

This is a short video from a workshop two weeks ago. The general idea is that if you build your raised bed with a lot of wood in it, you should be able to go the whole summer without irrigating or fertilizing.

http://www.youtube.com/paulwheaton12#p/u/0/sp_IObIkInQ
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Old 07/10/10, 07:58 AM
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the ones i have built worked out well for me so far this year.
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Old 07/10/10, 09:03 AM
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HI Paul, I watched your video, I was curious did they plant something in there right away? Did they let it sit for a year before planting? Were those rounds pretty rotten? What do they plan to plant in there?
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Old 07/10/10, 09:10 AM
 
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I told them to plant right away.

Some of the wood was more rotten than others. I wouldn't have put any of it in a woodpile for burning.

They plan on having a polyculture garden: a little bit of everything and nothing in rows.
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Interesting idea. My area is dry and my soil is fairly sandy so it might help. I'm sure that termites would love moist buried wood.

I did find a link that outlines hugelkutur. Although I'm not certain that they are doing it the same way.
http://hubpages.com/hub/Hugelkultur-...-in-Composting
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Old 07/10/10, 10:40 AM
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I'm wondering if that would attract every termite in a 25 miles radius?
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Old 07/10/10, 02:51 PM
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Just a thought, but wouldn't the termites be part of the system? Since termites are so good at breaking down wood, it would seem to me their appetites might actually be desirable in this type of growing system.
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Old 07/10/10, 04:44 PM
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There's no boundary that termites recognize..they'd just as soon start eating your house as they would the buried wood. I'd be leery of providing them with a reason to be here..That's why I'm wondering what experience the OP has had with them and this planting system.

IMHO, it's kind of like poison ivy..a natural plant but you'd not want it near your house
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Old 07/10/10, 05:23 PM
 
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What works 'here' often does not work 'there'.

So I'm sure what works 'there' shouldn't be criticized from 'here'.

With farming a few decades, and caring for soil a lot, and experimenting with different things to keep a healthy soil 'here'....

I have way more questions than I have good feelings about that video.

To say the first year might be a tad less productive do to lack of nitrogen is perhaps some wishful thinking. To say the ground will be barren until a lot of that wood rots might be more accurate.

Even hardwoods give off toxins, depending on the species. Can really hamper some types of garden plants.

Why does one build a raised garden anyhow? Of course they will dry out if they are hills built that high. Wouldn't level or alomst depressed conserve the water? I think in 4 decades we've watered the garden 10 times or so - just not a common thing to do.

Sure couldn't get many root crops from such steep ground, with such a shalloe coat of dirt over the wood.

For me, that appears to be some book reading, applied in ways that are designed to fail - anyhow 'here'.

I'm sure things can be learned from it, and perhaps it's perfect for 'there'. I just can't imagine gaining anything, but creating difficult growing conditions and reduced yield 'here'.

I'm only commenting because it's interesting to me. Don't mean to be the wet blanket I sound like... I just miss the point of it from start to finish. Build a hill to save water???? Make shallow soil with rotting, sinking wood in it so it's not a stable root bed? Attract insects? Make stee sides so what rain comes will wash off quick?

I'd have ot see more of what good it offers I guess. Not thinking of much?

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Old 07/11/10, 04:31 PM
 
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A friend saw the video from two days ago and emailed me to say that he
made something like that ten years ago. And here is a video of his
ten year old hugelkultur bed:

http://www.youtube.com/paulwheaton12#p/u/0/lWaEEdB6GZM
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Old 07/11/10, 04:45 PM
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I'm interested in the termite issue too. Any info?
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Old 07/11/10, 07:00 PM
 
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Rambler took the words out of my mouth. Fully composted wood (IMHO) would be much better--would provide humus to lock in water and not lock up nitrogen. I bet beans/peas and other non-root crop legumes would work well if the PH remained acceptable.

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I can see where 10 year old burried slash wood would make a good humus. The toxins would be leaching out of the way by then. Be left with the good soil building parts by then.

You must have some depleted, old soils there.

Around here we have to pay $300 an acre or more just to drain the ground enough to plant it in a timely fashion. Also we deal with cornstalks - they are kinda like wood, while very organic, they make the ground worse for the following year's crop, until they get through the breakdown process. Long term they are organic builders; short term they rob the ground of what it already has.

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Old 07/11/10, 08:52 PM
 
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The geometry of it bugs me too. But I do see how this method will produce some good soil in a couple of years.
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