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Old 05/31/10, 06:31 PM
 
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Need simple Blacksmith project for kids

The boys built a small furnace out of fire bricks and an old homemade grill metal thing. They use small hair dryers to blow at one end, fire it up, and can get it over 1400 which is all their thermometer will record. They have soften re-bar enough to hammer it and are making a knife.........slowly making a knife! They already made a small dagger and a knife out of copper......and they made a spear........I trust them and they are safe....

But! We have a cousin coming to visit and I do not want the boys making knives or swords or anything pointed or sharp while the cousin is around. He is a sweet kid but not to be trusted with sharp things and mainly, I don't want him taking anything sharp or pointed home with him! I could watch him here but he would want to take "projects" home with him.

So! What projects could the boys make out of copper pipes or cans or re-bar....that 13 year old's would like and still be safe??

Need Ideas! When I suggested a small candle holder, I was told "MOM! That would be LAME!" I need ideas that boys would find interesting! Thank you very much.
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Old 05/31/10, 06:59 PM
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I know time is short by see if your local library can get you a loaner copy of Practical Projects for the Beginning Blacksmith by Ted Turner. Great book on simple projects.
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Old 05/31/10, 07:20 PM
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How about a pair of tongs they could use to handle their other items? Shape one as the 'grabber', the other as the handles, flatten the middle and punch a hole. Not only would it be "cool" to make it would be useful later on.
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Campfire tripod with pothooks and a skillet shelf?
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Old 05/31/10, 08:45 PM
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tripod, skillet shelf...or simple S hooks to hold pots perhaps? How about a portable hole for holding fishing rods or flag poles? piece of rebar, with one end bent into a circle and then the circle bent at right angles to the long part. You stick the long part into the ground..and voila! a portable hole.

hmm. copper pipe...what about making a person? You know those commercials about upset stomachs? a bunch of pipe people walking, talking, etc. They could try making something like that. Circle for head and chest (we won't talk about, um, upper frontals), a Square for a chest works great...legs and feet...arms... Kind of complex, but if they make a plan....

actually, the portable hole would work well for a small forge like that. just stick in the end.

hmm. how about a spoon and fork? heat the copper or steel, pound it out into a bowl shape for the spoon. fit it with a wooden handle maybe?
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Old 05/31/10, 10:51 PM
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Historically, the first things a blacksmith makes are their tools. They will need an "L" shaped instrument to rake the coal. They will need a multitude of tongs.

How about a towel rack for Mom? That was the first thing my son made me at our smithy. It is mounted below the sink front, above the under-the-sink doors so I can hang my kitchen towels. It takes a couple of bends and the middle part can be twisted.

there is a nice video available on making 'bugs' on a stick for garden ornaments. I think UMBA has it on their site
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Old 05/31/10, 11:19 PM
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Kiamichi Kid on this forum is a blacksmith. You might want to send him a pm!
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about blacksmithing...

There are some good project ideas already given but I thought of a couple more. How about plant pot hangers? Or a 'pig tail' steak turner for the grill. To make one, take some 1/4" rod, taper a point from 1 1/2 inches from one end, bend it to about 45 degrees, also about 1 1/2"s from that end, the bend it almost into a 'u' shape. Make some kind of a handle of the other end. The whole thing should be about 15-18 inches long. I found that I could flip the meat faster with one
A good source of info is iforgeiron.com --a forum for blacksmiths.
Another is abana.org with links to a state or regional organization near about anybody.
Please don't let anybody heat up any galvanized stuff (pipe). Zink fumes can cause results similar to the phosgene(sp) gas used in WWI. I know of a popular blacksmith from NC that died from getting too many fumes. Also, safety glasses are highly recommended.
I wish I had more time to heat up some steel and make something out of it. Some of my projects even do not look like roadkill afterward.
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Thank you everyone - good ideas! Thank you too for the video link and also the warning about the fumes. Thank you!

Any more ideas? We are making a list and checking the barn for supplies.
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Old 06/01/10, 09:00 AM
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Also check out www.anvilfire.com. Go to the Nagivate Anvilfire box in upper right and click down on menu to iforge. A number of potentially suitable projects there.

There are several blacksmithing groups in the Carolinas. Go to www.abana.org. On the home page you will see a red USA. Click on it and then find the ones in your local area. Many hold monthly meetings, some sponsor beginner classes and some host regional conferences.

Be advised though if you attend one of the meetings and the first thing out of a kid's mouth is "I wanna make a sword", you are going to be dismissed. I use the analogy to become of reasonable accomplished blacksmith is like getting a bachletors degree, making a sellable knife, a master degree, make a sword a PhD. I have been fooling around with blacksmithing for about 34 years now and I wouldn't even consider making a sword and have made very few knives.

Rebar isn't all that great to work with as you never know what is in it. It is a combination of a lot of different things, just so it meets certain specifications.

For steel stock some hardware stores have a small supply of short lengths of common sizes. Best place woud be a new steel outlet which sells retail. My experience is most will do one cut for free, $1.00 thereafter.

For tongs, ain't nothng wrong with a pair of vise grips. (Actually I have a family connection to the name. My great great uncle on my mother's side had the last name of Grip. Well, he had a saying no one can have too many vices, so when his first son as born he named him Vise (to be politically correct I assume). Well Vise went on to create a pair of locking pliers which even today bear his name. I had an distant aunts who married into both the Craftsman and Stanley families and well remember references to Uncle Craftsman and Uncle Stanley.)

For used tooling, they are where you find them. Put an ad in the local paper to the effect: "Wanted: Blacksmithing equipment and tools. XXX-XXXX." Ask around to virtualy everyone you speak with. Perhaps the clerk at the 7/11 remembers an uncle who had some blacksmithing items and has since died. His wife may still have them in an outbuilding. Regional blacksmithing conferences typically enourage tailgate tool selling. Quad-State (mentioned above) has several acres of them. eBay under the Collectibles: Tools, Hardware and Locks: Tools: Blacksmithing. However on eBay make absolutely sure you understand what shipping charges will be before you order. Anvils, in particular, are expensive to ship. Try Craigslist.com both in the for sale and wanted categories. Put in your own wanted ad. Hey, it is free and you never know what might turn up. In my experience flea markets are so so. Many sellers are dang proud of their tools according to their pricing.

Over the years I have worked with a fair number of beginning blacksmiths. Two primary initial faults I have noticed: They tend not to get the metal hot enough and don't hit it hard enough to have much of an impact.

There are three basic hammer blows using fulcums of the shoulder, elbow and wrist, or a combination of them. For really moving metal use the shoulder. For light work use the wrist, For medium work use the elbow. I have walked up behind beginners in the past, grabbed the hammer above their hand and said 'follow me' as I brought it up to full arc and then hit the metal. Heck, it isn't glass. It isn't going to break.

If you go into the shop of an accomplished blacksmith ask to see the first couple of items they made. They have them hidden somewhere.
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Thank you for the links and information. I printed it for the older boys. Thank you!

PS Don't tell anyone but they already made several "javalins", knives (copper blade beat to shape and then set into a wooden handle), and "swords" also with wood handles. We have a "rule" they cannot use them but they are for display only. They do take them out and toss them to see how far they can throw them. I understand your point about learning the basics but I figure they were outside, doing something that was NOT computer or TV.....and so I am OK with it.

Thanks!
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Old 06/01/10, 05:34 PM
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DH started DS and his buddies out on "S" hooks and coat hooks. A twist in the middle, a curl at the end... Very fancy.


So far as stock, I realize this isn't available for everyone, but old sucker rods out of windmills work great and we find them free...
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Thank you for the links and information. I printed it for the older boys. Thank you!

PS Don't tell anyone but they already made several "javalins", knives (copper blade beat to shape and then set into a wooden handle), and "swords" also with wood handles. We have a "rule" they cannot use them but they are for display only. They do take them out and toss them to see how far they can throw them. I understand your point about learning the basics but I figure they were outside, doing something that was NOT computer or TV.....and so I am OK with it.

Thanks!
Since these are 13 year old boys, just curious as to why the secrecy about building knives and javelins.

It's not like you're showing them how to build a whisky still.
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