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05/17/10, 10:21 PM
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Honey Crisp Apple Tree Not Happy
We have 2 new Honey Crisp Apple trees (our first ). One looks quite good. The 2nd has curled leaves. We are wondering if the site is to wet, or what the problem could be. I would consider moving it but am wondering what we might do before that. We might be able to put a drainage ditch in down hill of the tree.
Any ideas from the masses?
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05/18/10, 08:31 AM
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Look at the UNDERSIDE of the curled leaves: are there aphids there?
Ants bring them and place them where they will be convenient for "milking". When they place too many on a leaf the leaf curls.
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05/18/10, 08:43 AM
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There are pests that curl leaves. Have you checked to see if there are tiny little "inch worms" inside the curled leaves? Standing water will kill fruit trees. Most home grown fruit trees that die are killed by lawnmower disease. A few light "tunks" with the front of the mower will kill them just as a weed whip that hits it a time or two.
If you are not sure it is going to live, dig it up and plant somewhere else. That'll surely kill it and you can get the replacement right away.
There's a million things that could be killing your tree. I've seen people dig a hole in clay and plant the tree in that hole back filling with top soil. The first rain fills the clay lined hole like a bowl of water, drownding the tree. I've seen some that throw a couple scoops of manure in the hole with the tree's roots, killing the tree straight away.
Have the mice chewed the bark, down next to the ground? I've lost lots of trees that way. They get leaves and then die.
You said they were new. Does that mean that you just planted them this spring? Many places root prune to cut the costs of transporting, so the tree might have a death sentence anyway. Dwarf or Semi-dwarf or standard? Many nurseries suggest you cut the tree back untill the roots have a chance to catch up. Did you?
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05/18/10, 08:45 AM
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No ideas, just wanted to say that I love Hony Crisp apples and intend on putting a few of them on my lot when I get one.
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05/18/10, 09:39 AM
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We have a wet spot in our apple orchard where there is runoff from a spring. all of the apple trees in that section died, so I believe that if the soil is too wet it will kill the tree. However your problem sounds like a pest is eating the leaves. First, if you are trying to go organic, try using an insecticidal soap to kill the bugs. The soap washes off easily, so reapply after each rain.
If the leaves have a white powdery appearance, you may have a leaf mold.
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05/18/10, 01:33 PM
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Haypoint is moving the tree a CERTAIN death sentence, say compared to a blueberry bush? I excavated 2 BB bushes successfully early this spring, that were planted 12 months before. THEY had no leaves.
The Honey Crisp trees are Semi Dwarf.
No aphids - they where all on the fruit bearing Gala and Fuji. No white powder or bugs at all.
We will dig around the "bowl" to see if water is sitting in there. We will feed fish / seaweed / vitamin food and spray the leaves with soapsheild.
Thanks for all of the thoughts.
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05/19/10, 02:09 AM
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No, moving the tree is not a certain death sentence, especially if it is a newly planted tree anyway. Just do it on a cool, damp day, dig the new hole extra big and deep before digging up the tree, and when you do dig it, take as large a root ball as possible. Water it in well to eliminate air pockets.
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05/19/10, 08:47 AM
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Hubby asked you to post pictures of the leaves.
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05/19/10, 09:18 AM
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We're experiencing the same thing on our property. I did a little research last night and I think we have fire blight. My organic gardening book says that it is a bacterial problem that affects plants in the rose family (pears, apples, and quinces.) The leaves will turn brown or black and then remain on the twigs. Symptoms will progress on to the roots and will kill the tree. The control for this would be to prune the affected branches along with about 6-12" of healthy tissue. Dip pruners in alcohol between each cut in order to disinfect and avoid spreading.
I hope this isn't what you have. I'm dreading the pruning on two of my apple and one pear. My big fear is that these three trees are just the start. I certainly don't want it to appear in the rest of the orchard.
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05/19/10, 09:44 AM
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fire blight is awful! If you accidently touch a non affected branch with the clippers before dissinfecting, or with the affect branch, you will spread it to that branch. Birds can also spread it by lighting on a tree branch that has it, then flying to another tree and lighting on that branch.
I had it in my two pear trees. Lost one, and thought i had lost the other. Pruned it down to just about nothing. I had written it off, then it came back just as pretty and is now bigger than it was. Of course, now i have nothing to polinate it.
You have to stay on top of the fire blight. If you even susspect a branch has it, lop it off. It will take a tree out really fast.
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05/19/10, 11:57 AM
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Here are pictures of our apple tree that I think has fire blight. I thought that you might be able to compare them to yours.
The tree is still mostly green, but the ends of many branches are browned and shriveled.
Close up of a shriveled branch
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05/19/10, 04:33 PM
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Common Tayor
I will try to get a pic uploaded, but our dial up is only 26 K and slugish.
The Mrs
Thanks for the pics. So sorry the fire blight is at your place. So far we are seeing the light green undersides and nothing else.
Ann dug a pit and a drain on the low side of the tree site.
Thanks all...
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05/19/10, 09:40 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Common Tator
Hubby asked you to post pictures of the leaves.
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Well I tried Photobucket but I could not see the leaves??
Here is a village photo link...
http://img.villagephotos.com/imageview.aspx?i=26402038
Go Village!!!
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05/19/10, 10:13 PM
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TheMrs thanks for the pics. Now I know for sure thats what is wrong with mine! My problem is ,my trees are young dwarfs,if I prune back severly there won't be anything but trunk left! And they were doing so good.Got my first ever apples last year.
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05/24/10, 08:08 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
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BUMP for Comon Tator"s Hubby.
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06/06/10, 09:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Common Tator
Hubby asked you to post pictures of the leaves.
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What did hubby think?
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06/07/10, 07:33 AM
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We have fire blight on both of our apple trees. It's too far down to prune (all I'll have left is a stump) so we'll be cutting ours down. I had to get rid of 2 pear trees for the same problem about 6 years ago. I guess the apples will be replaced with some cherry trees.
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