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Old 04/19/10, 04:20 PM
 
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Have been looking at these kits...seems like a good short term solution. I have property taxes out the ying-yang already so constructing a shelter for my horse trailer and truck permanently is not in the works. I can get away with having this "temporary" structure.
Has anyone purchased one of these, assembled and used it?
Obviously, I'll need to tie it down with the proper hardware for the wind, etc.
Also snow load could be a problem so I'm looking at the heavy duty ones with the 15 year guarantee on the fabric.
Thoughts? Suggestions? Is it worth going this route?

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Old 04/19/10, 04:49 PM
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Orient it so prevailing storm winds cant pick it up easily. Elderly friend got one of these and wind (straight line wind, not tornado) picked it up and crunched it into a wad out in his pasture despite it being well staked. He had more than one and the others stayed put. Its really not good value for the money for what you get, I think, but maybe it is if its an end run around local real estate tax burocracy. Really sad state of affairs....

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Old 04/19/10, 05:20 PM
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Why not look at the steel carports? You can have them built the way you wish - with or wothout sides, color, height, length, etc. They're super strong and are not taxable - at least where I live. The side posts are anchored into the ground. Probably not considered as permenant buildings as the anchors can be removed & the carport can be slid someplace else or torn down & rebuilt. (Not that I'd want to slide a 28 ft bldg)

I have horribly high winds here. Nothing tarp/fabric like lasts past a couple years. "Roofs", not buildings, are taxed here so... That was my solution.

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Old 04/19/10, 05:33 PM
 
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Two years ago I purchased one from Tractor Supply to use as an animal shelter for goats and a pig. We used pallets to make the stalls and it has been the best investment I've ever made. I needed a barn but didn't want my taxes to go up nor did I have the money for a new barn. I live in Upstate NY and we get lots of snow. The load did not bother it at all because the steel polls used for support are very sturdy and quite heavy. Because of the pallets we used for the stalls it will not fly away. Both ends open for fresh air and excess to the inside. We paid are $350 dollars for it.

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Old 04/19/10, 06:16 PM
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Two years ago I purchased one from Tractor Supply to use as an animal shelter for goats and a pig. We used pallets to make the stalls and it has been the best investment I've ever made. I needed a barn but didn't want my taxes to go up nor did I have the money for a new barn. I live in Upstate NY and we get lots of snow. The load did not bother it at all because the steel polls used for support are very sturdy and quite heavy. Because of the pallets we used for the stalls it will not fly away. Both ends open for fresh air and excess to the inside. We paid are $350 dollars for it.
I would love to see pictures of this set up!
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Old 04/19/10, 07:30 PM
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I remember trying to get one lashed to a convenient tree in a thunderstorm so it would stop blowing around the barnyard. I can tell you the chickens inside it were perturbed too.

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Old 04/19/10, 10:13 PM
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I have one 12 X 20 that I use for my tractor and sometimes hay
I used anchor bolts to secure it to a concrete pad, and it has withstood 90 mph winds so far.
I can't tell you much about snow loads. The most we've had since I got it is 6"


http://www.shelterlogic.com/custom_roundtop.html

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I've used them for years. Spend an extra hundred dollars and buy a good one, not the lightest flimsiest one. Got one that has been up for something like 5 years now, doing just fine.

Anchor well. I use 18 or 24 inch rebar stakes, cross anchored. It's held mine down in a hurricane. Literally.

Beware snow. No big deal, but pull it off. It's a lot of weight, and it sags the fabric down between the poles. Just use a broom to pull it off, and all is well.

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Several of my neighbors had them but did NOT beware the big snow we had this winter. Theirs were crushed and unsalvageable. I notice they are aLl rebuilding with wood. Of course, we never had a snow like that before.

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Old 04/20/10, 10:41 AM
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I used one, and loved it for my hay storage. BEST ADVICE I can give you is to buy some self-tapping metal screws and set a screw into the pipe frame at EVERY "joint"... The poles go together like that: the narrow end fits into a wider end of the next piece and so on; put a screw through each juncture.

Then, to anchor it, get the longest earth anchors available (auger at the bottom, eye at the top, about 30" long), one for EVERY LEG and EVERY corner. Set them out from the perimeter about 24" out, and ratchet-strap from the top of the walls down to the ground.

I simply could not believe how weather-tight and useful this thing was! Stored my hay, hand tools, wheelbarrow, and feed bins. (hay set on pallets).

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Old 04/20/10, 10:53 AM
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I would love to see pictures of this set up!
me too, would love a visual~!
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Old 04/20/10, 01:51 PM
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When we moved here, I got two of the Costco portable carport shelters -- about $150 each at the time. The tarps lasted about two years. I'd like to re-cover the frames, but am not sure what would be best to use (I don't want to buy the replacement covers, as they cost almost as much as a whole new shelter, and wouldn't last any longer than the original ones did). I'm thinking about putting greenhouse plastic on one frame, and would like to use the other one to store hay.

Then I got an ag shelter, 12'X24', for the goats, and also have some rabbit cages hanging up in it. The tarp on that one is better quality than what came with the Costco shelters, but I figure it will only last another winter or two. I don't want to put up permanent structures here, because it will raise our property taxes (which are already high), and because eventually I'll probably be moving and want to be able to take my animal shelters and so on with me.

I've thought of covering the frames with ferrocement, but that would be permanent and not moveable. Canvas tarps, painted, would last a long time, but are expensive (and heavy, in those sizes). Any other ideas??

Oh, and I've found that if the shelters are placed with their sides facing the prevailing winds, they do better.

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Old 04/21/10, 08:37 AM
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I've got two of them, a 10x20 I keep garden stuff in that is 14 years old and aside from a couple small tears in the fabric it is in great shape, and a 14x40 I keep my boat in. As long as you anchor it securely they can take some serious wind. And after all the snow we had this winter I didn't have any problems at all.

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Thanks guys! Great advice!
I too, would like to see a picture of the barn w/pallets.

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Old 04/21/10, 01:00 PM
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I have two of them, location is northeast Ohio.
Got one 3 years ago, the other two years ago. The first one blew away the first night it was up so we got the anchor kit thats extra.
This winter both collapsed under the weight of the snow and are trashed. They also will get a hole in them if anything ever touches the side for any length of time.
I think that round top one posted would liely not collapse due to the shape, but its alot more exensive too.

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As a sideline to our canopy rental business I have built a couple for salt sheds here in Mass. for friends , but they are not cheap as I use SS 40 galvanized fencing pipe at around $ 3.00 Ft. .
I have looked selling the " Cover It style Shelter " but haven't jumped into it yet as people are still buying the ones at Sam's , Bj's , Home Depot etc. for $ 150. that Won't Take the Snow Load around here .
For a decent shelter for the price check out Clear Span , it is three companies in one , Large Buildings , Garages and Greenhouses ,
Clear Span , Farm Tek , Tek Supply , Growers Supply
http://www.clearspan.com/fabric/structures/home
They sometimes have close out's and samples/returns at very good prices under steals and deals .
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I have had 2 '12 X 20' "instant garages" from TSC. The first one came with 4 12" earth anchors. It blew away in a heavy wind storm. The second one came with 6 30" earth anchors, and it has withstood 60-70 mph winds. I do have to keep the snow load cleaned off.
I put wooden pallets on the ground, and laid T-11 on top of them.....and that is where I have my milk stands, milking machine, etc.
For the price, I am very happy with it.

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No recommendations on what to use to replace the trashed tarps? One of my frames is bent a little (as it did blow over one time) but is still usable; the other frame is fine.

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And, forgot to mention, if I can figure out what to use to re-cover my frames, it may help out a couple of neighbors who also have frames up with no covers on them anymore!

You do have to keep the snow cleared off these frames, but it's not too bad.

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Old 04/22/10, 11:15 AM
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Wasn't there here a post about used billboard plastic that can beused for covers and tarps. I think it is really thick. This the first site that came up when I searched used billboard material.

http://www.billboardtarps.com/

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Hi Kathleen
I don't have a Costco card anymore so I don't know what brand they are selling this week.
Most of the stores are selling either a King Canopy or a Shelter Logic , if You know the brand name ? or can pick out the style ? , I will try to help You find the replacement parts You need , they are out there , it just takes a while to find them , as a lot of them do private labeling , plus the knock off junk from China at HF etc. .
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I am not sure that we are all talking about the same thing here....not at all clever with this stuff. But, I have been using a tarp covered kit(12 X 20 ft.) for a car port for about 10 years. I couldn't do without it! I did replace the cover just once and simply ordered the replacement tarp to do so. It was not very expensive(maybe 70 bucks?). Mine came from either Walmart or our local Bi-mart, forgot which.

The only thing that I found that goes ka-put very quickly(only lasts a summer) are the du-hickies that come with the kit to tie it on. They are useless(they have those little "balls" on them?)so I replaced those with cable ties and on the four corners I used wire.

We rarely have snow here but have had some good winds. This outfit is in a protected area between the "real" careport and a metal shed so it stayed in place nicely.

Hope you get yours all back together soon.

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I am not sure that we are all talking about the same thing here....not at all clever with this stuff. But, I have been using a tarp covered kit(12 X 20 ft.) for a car port for about 10 years. I couldn't do without it! I did replace the cover just once and simply ordered the replacement tarp to do so. It was not very expensive(maybe 70 bucks?). Mine came from either Walmart or our local Bi-mart, forgot which.

The only thing that I found that goes ka-put very quickly(only lasts a summer) are the du-hickies that come with the kit to tie it on. They are useless(they have those little "balls" on them?)so I replaced those with cable ties and on the four corners I used wire.

We rarely have snow here but have had some good winds. This outfit is in a protected area between the "real" careport and a metal shed so it stayed in place nicely.

Hope you get yours all back together soon.

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Those little Du Hickies are called Bungee Balls and like everything else , they come in a variety of Thickness of the cord . I have to agree some original equipment supplied ones are junk . For winter use I just double them up and change them out if they do stretch . after a heavy snow , But then again , I have over 2,500 of the little suckers .
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I bought two of them, both Shelterlogic. Now, both at the dump, having survived less than 6 months. If you have a very wind-sheltered area, maybe it would last a few years...but for the same price, you could build something more solid from wood. The only reason I can think to get one would be a permit issue.

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Wasn't there here a post about used billboard plastic that can beused for covers and tarps. I think it is really thick. This the first site that came up when I searched used billboard material.

http://www.billboardtarps.com/
If I ever build a chicken house I would want one of these with a KFC advertisement on the front. lols.
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I like that idea with the used billboard covers! The only issue is to how to bend pipe to make the ^ shape. Around here, ^ shapes work the best to shed snow and rain and also the wind.
I've seen those bungie things, they are OK for weekend shelters, like picnic canopies, but not for semi-permanent buildings.
I'm now thinking 1 shelter, long enough to park my horse trailer and truck in (as if hitched) located on the back of my property where the wind is less due to it being below grade from the garage/house.

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My two shelters from Costco are 10' X 20', but I don't know the brand (bought them six years ago). As long as they are sideways to the prevailing winds, they actually do hold up to the wind pretty well -- if they are staked down well. My shelters are staked with rebar stakes that my mother and step-father used to use when they were using the same kind of shelters for rock and gem shows. And the big ag shelter is bolted to rows of RR ties that I used as a foundation, so that thing isn't going anywhere!

How would you find the used billboard covers? Now that you mention that, I think my mother and step-father have some of that stuff -- they used it to cover a 40' shipping container that they have, that has a leaky roof.

The bungee balls are fun for the goats to play with, too! I'm always finding one laying on the ground in or near their pen! Thanks for the idea to replace those with the wire ties.

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If You have a store bought shelter and have bent a few pipes , most are made of 1 3/8 20 ga. steel , Home depot sells 1 3/8 17 ga. fence pipe @ $6.99 for 10 ft. .
If You need a replacement for a hoop , take a good one out and bring it to a local garage with a tube bender , or a muffler shop .
As for the covers used , they range from mil. specs rip-stop poly material to some very thin poly tarps .

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Just a question....Couldn't you put two pipes up together, ends up to form your ^, and use some kind of elbow or whatever to bolt them together in your inverted V shape? I see a lot of different kinds of "couplers" at Home Depot for pipe...some on an angle.

Don't know how such steep walls would work though...seems to me this shape would really limit the shapes and the height of any thing you might want to park in them?

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I like that idea with the used billboard covers! The only issue is to how to bend pipe to make the ^ shape. Around here, ^ shapes work the best to shed snow and rain and also the wind.
I've seen those bungie things, they are OK for weekend shelters, like picnic canopies, but not for semi-permanent buildings.
I'm now thinking 1 shelter, long enough to park my horse trailer and truck in (as if hitched) located on the back of my property where the wind is less due to it being below grade from the garage/house.
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Yes, "^" limits the storage, but its easier to cover using a standard tarp. I stopped by a local farm that runs horses and uses open ended shelters and he is using the billboard covers - his are an ad for Jaquar. They are very durable material. He has no problem with them blowing away as they are open ended and staked firmly to the ground with something that looks like those stakes that they put swingsets or dog tie-outs on.

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