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Old 04/11/10, 07:18 AM
 
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gas company,replacing line

the gas company just ahd a contractor replace 800 feet of 6inch pipeline running through my property. the old metal line was laid in 1902 on top of the ground......other places they have been inserting,instead of replacing...i don't know how wide the right of way was but the cut some big trees and rolled them on over from the right away....they used my bridge and road on the hill that they don't have a right away for....they worked the road and now lots of mud is running into my pond.. i had always heard the land owner could have the old metal pipe but they took it all.....i hoped for gravel on my driveway and they have put two loads of the smallest gravel while two wet and i am hoping they come back monday wehen it shoule be dryer.....i kept away from them hoping to be treated good with the gravel....oh yea i saved them money by telling them could cross my bridge instead of putting in a temporay low water bridge..........i tried to be really nice and i am not sure it was the right thing to do........= push over.....
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Old 04/11/10, 09:33 AM
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Call them monday and tell them what you want. Ask big and be prepared to negotiate down. Your big stick now is that neither they nor the gas company want to spend time in court . Small claims court wont cost you much ,it will them.
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Old 04/11/10, 10:54 AM
 
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The right-of-way easement should be spelled out in your deed. It should also be recorded in the county clerk/recorders office. Most easements specify a permanent easement and the right for a temporary easement.

Anything on the permanent easement can be removed/modified by the easement holder. Things on the temporary easement-they are liable for.

As to the muddy runoff into your pond, contact the EPA or your state regulatory agency that deals with pollution.

There should/may be a visit from a representative of the owner of the pipeline to assess damages. That will be the time to voice your concerns. Most likely they will make an verbal offer, want to cut a check for money, and hope you accept the check.

A visit with an attorney would be cost effective. Maybe even have the pipeline representative meet you at your attorneys office.

From personal experience, small claims court is not the way to go for restoring the surface of your property.

Good luck with what ever you decide to do.

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Old 04/11/10, 12:16 PM
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the gas company just ahd a contractor replace 800 feet of 6inch pipeline running through my property. the old metal line was laid in 1902 on top of the ground......other places they have been inserting,instead of replacing...i don't know how wide the right of way was but the cut some big trees and rolled them on over from the right away....they used my bridge and road on the hill that they don't have a right away for....they worked the road and now lots of mud is running into my pond.. i had always heard the land owner could have the old metal pipe but they took it all.....i hoped for gravel on my driveway and they have put two loads of the smallest gravel while two wet and i am hoping they come back monday wehen it shoule be dryer.....i kept away from them hoping to be treated good with the gravel....oh yea i saved them money by telling them could cross my bridge instead of putting in a temporay low water bridge..........i tried to be really nice and i am not sure it was the right thing to do........= push over.....
Well, Coup, if you'd posted about this before the fact, I could have given you some extremely good help, that would have solved most of your problems.

They indeed do have a right to lay new line... however, there's usually a clause in the ROW agreement about damages, then and in the future. You can be a horses rear, and force them to stay completely on the right of way... take one step off of it, and there's penalties to pay (aka damages).

Key thing to do in such situations is have the ROW conveyance in hand. Hold them to the letter... which usually means traveling ONLY on the ROW. They can't use local roads and bridges... they have to use the ROW only, from the closest public road.

You have to let the very first person that arrives that you need to talk to the boss hog of the operation. Let him (or rarely her) know, that no heavy equipment will leave the site till all cleanup is finished. No usage of private roads, or trails is allowed, unless they fix and repair (to your pleasure) their damages.... otherwise, they travel on the right of way ONLY. In lieu of repairing xy and z, you'll take cash... upfront.

I've forced pipeliners to follow the rules to the letter, not stepping an inch off the ROW. Last time they came through, I pulled a Huffy on them, and got two hours worth of trackhoe work out of them before they left. The area was cleaner than when they started. They put fabric barriers down around a wetland, to prevent loose soil from washing into my swamp. They didn't necessarily like it, but they knew driving 6 miles through a swampy ROW would mean waiting till the driest part of summer, and me letting them use my private road would allow them to get in and out in a day and get er done.

You have POWER while they're still there, on site. Once they're gone, good luck getting anything done in a timely manner, if ever.

I 'hijacked' an entire drilling rig once... An oil company 'promised' to repair my road 'after' they left... I'd just returned from Alaska, and was dead tired, and the rig was pulling out. Well, they didn't fix the road... I complained and complained... might'as well complained to a rock. Five years later they returned and brought a rig in and over my road. I blocked the road. The foreman came up and we chatted. I told him he'd best turn around, as he had no ROW across my place... if he went in, and he'd never get it out legally. He decided to risk it. I told him he'd best call Houston. Got a call from a VP. Told him they'd never acquired legal ROW. He said they had. I said produce it. Next day he called, and said his landman had never been able to contact me.... *I knew the landman* Two days later, I had a check in hand for 10K, for a 90 day ROW. Plus 20K in gravel on my road. If I'd'a waited for them to leave, my road would still be busted up, and I'd have a thinner bank account.

Get your stuff done before they leave.............
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Old 04/11/10, 02:37 PM
 
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Texican is right. TAKE PICTURES AND LET THEM SEE YOU TAKING PICTURES. They tore my driveway up and wasn't even on our land because they were to lazy to put their trucks in reverse and back up a foot or so. They ran over the end of the pipe and crushed it in and pushed the side ditch out and made a big mess overall. They also broke my neighbor's concrete pad in front of their garage. I started taking pictures as soon as I saw what they were doing and also stopped the foreman of the job and showed him what was going on. They would stop and back up if they saw me with my camera. Well needless to say I got pictures, by hiding in bushes and such, of them in the ditch, running across my driveway, running across the neighbor's concrete pad, and even one of them pulling a rig with all left side wheel off in the ditch. I made sure most of the trucks had the tags in the picture or at least one. Well I finally got the drilling rep to come out after him saying he was here and couldn't find any damage. They were looking on the other side of the road. well he said there is no way my people would do that. I asked," how many pictures of them do you want to see?" He said," You have pictures?" My response was if I didn't I wouldn't have bothered calling you.About that time a truck came out and didn't look up to see us and right through the ditch he went. The guy said they couldn't turn without running off the road. well here comes another bigger truck and I said come on and walked out where he could see me and guess what? He found reverse and his wheels never left the pavement on either side. Old sneaky pete got to start fixing damages the next day because when it rained water ran across the road leaving mud and running muddy water into the neighbor's yard and drive. They also replaced the concrete pad. Pictures tell a story and are worth their weight. Good luck. Take pictures now. Sam
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