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03/26/10, 07:33 PM
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Plastic represents everthing wrong in todays society-doesn't it?
It's made from oil, a non-renewble resource, it doesn't degrade
so it hangs around forever, it's stamped out of China and flooded
into our countryside through big box stores. It's uncomfortable to
sit on; it's ugly and always looks like junk and it fills up our garbage dumps.
Plastic epitomizes everything wrong with our consumer lifestyle. 
Warren and Diane
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03/26/10, 08:00 PM
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Cheap plastic epitomizes our wasteful lifestyles.
Too often, cheap plastic makes temporary products that soon fail.
There are plastics that can make durable products. An internal combustion engine to power an automobile can be made with plastic. There are plastics that outlast leather.
I think most people in this country accept temporary, soon to fail, products while other countries don't. Plastic house siding is common in this country, but rare in England.
Plastic can be a wonderful product, important to daily lives. Sadly, our petrol reserves are being used to create low quality products and also wasted in automobile fuel.
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03/26/10, 08:05 PM
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Hi,
Not to be supporting the plastics industry, but this is my all time favorite quote about using solar energy -- this is for solar pool heating:
"Three gallons of oil refined and burned provides 400,000BTU ... Once. Three gallons of oil, made into a 4 by 12 foot solar collector, can provide over 10 million BTUs per year ... year after year"
The plastic solar pool heating collectors are at least one good thing you can use the stuff for 
Gary
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03/26/10, 08:16 PM
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I agree with haypoint; it's the cheap disposable plastic products that are the epitome of it all. But have you ever tried telling people this "IRL".  They look at you like you're crazy. :baby04:
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03/26/10, 08:24 PM
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IRL?
The thing I really hate about plastic is all the chemicals it leeches into us and the environment.
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03/26/10, 08:46 PM
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03/26/10, 08:53 PM
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And we buy all this plastic with... Plastic swipe that card!
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03/26/10, 09:17 PM
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Hum....if plastic lasts forever, how can it leach chemicals into the soil - and not degrade itself while doing so.....?
Just to take the road less traveled - -
Plastic is often a better use of resources than metal. Plastic has allowed our country to do many of the things we do - cheaper, better gas mileage in our cars, for example.
Medical equipment IV tubes, needles, etc
When was the last time you saw someone in a plaster cast?
Many plastic things are as reusable as metal - and it is cheaper to recycle.
I can use a plastic shopping bag many more times than I could ever use a paper one.
DH runs designs parts and tests them made from many different materials - Plastic is often the better alternative over metal. It is easier to mold and form parts with - allowing many industries unlimited a lot of freedom metal didn't give them.
There are some benefits to it....tried wrapping your sandwich in cloth lately - like they used to do?
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03/26/10, 09:45 PM
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I can use a plastic shopping bag many more times than I could ever use a paper one
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And you can reuse a cloth one even more!
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There are some benefits to it....tried wrapping your sandwich in cloth lately - like they used to do?
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As a matter of fact I have, they're called reusable sandwich sacks and/or wraps and they've been making a comeback for quite some time now.
Hey, I was with you on some of it -- it's a good thing in some capacities -- but when you start touting the righteousness of plastic grocery sacks and disposable sandwich baggies...
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03/26/10, 10:00 PM
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I have some very very expensive North Face gear, made out of recycled water bottles. Also some el cheapo ones, that get schmucked up with barnyard excrement.
I say, use as much plastic as you possibly can, burn as much gasoline as possible... use more oil...
Sooner we run out, sooner we'll get over the Age of Oil. Of course, under the best possible scenarios, human population levels would shrink down to 'pre oil' days. So, most everyone you and I know would be gone...
Every single person on the planet owes a debt to cheap oil... without it, most of us wouldn't have been born. When it's gone, so will most of us (leave).
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"they're called reusable sandwich sacks and/or wraps "
Man, I wouldn't want to think about the bacteria load something like that could build up after an hour or two in the refrigerator.... Throw them in the washer---with what? Ick. Just as soon use waxed paper. But I bet that's evil in some way, too.
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03/26/10, 11:15 PM
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I'll bet plastic has prevented more cases of e-coli, salmonella, listeria, etc than all the rules of the FDA put together.
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03/26/10, 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by diane5000
It's made from oil, a non-renewble resource, it doesn't degrade
so it hangs around forever, it's stamped out of China and flooded
into our countryside through big box stores. It's uncomfortable to
sit on; it's ugly and always looks like junk and it fills up our garbage dumps.
Plastic epitomizes everything wrong with our consumer lifestyle.
Warren and Diane
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ya it's bad stuff. It's what most pills and med caps are made with though. How can/will medical products be made w/o plastics?
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03/27/10, 12:27 AM
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OK folks. Time for a reality check.
Plastic. Lasts forever, right?
Remember all those funky triangular shaped plastic filter parts that were on cigarettes?
Go where people smoked in the 1970s and FIND ONE FOR ME. You won't be able to.
Did the plastic fairy take them away?
Glass. The ultimate recyclable, right? How come we have glassware still around from the Egyptian time period?
Please. Pretty please. Don't be suckered in by people with agendas and eco-nuts. Think for yourself. Observe. Don't take the written word (outside of four books) as Gospel.
There are problems with plastics, yes. There are problems with leaded glass. There are problems with papers and varnishes and cans and every other thing we substitute for plastic.
"Plastic epitomizes everything wrong with our consumer lifestyle."
NO. Lack of thought epitomizes everything wrong with your consumer lifestyle. Not mine, I dropped out of that lifestyle. It doesn't have to be yours either. All it takes is a little effort thinking.
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Just as soon use waxed paper. But I bet that's evil in some way, too.
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How many innocent trees were killed so you could have a fresh clean sandwich?
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Plastic pays my bills. Get a check every 2 weeks.
Just sayin'
I am a maintenance mechanic in a plastic extrusion shop
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03/27/10, 07:32 AM
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In Real Life. Or, in other words (IOW), not like-minded people you're fortunate enough to have found on the great internet.
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LOL I did know that, was just reading the sentence wrong i guess.
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03/27/10, 08:33 AM
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diane5000
George Washington had wooden choppers, do you have a wooden computer?
I kinda got used to the doors and fenders on my Saturn.
We might have a lot less of a problem with plastic if we could get men all over the world to use more rubber........ That's the real problem......
Just food for thought from geo to spark heated debate over the internet.....
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03/27/10, 09:01 AM
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Makes a good Chew Toy for your Dog.
big rockpile
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03/27/10, 11:54 AM
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diane5000
George Washington had wooden choppers, do you have a wooden computer?
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Earlier computers were mostly metal. I have an old all metal IBM keyboard around here someplace.
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We might have a lot less of a problem with plastic if we could get men all over the world to use more rubber........ That's the real problem......
Just food for thought from geo to spark heated debate over the internet.....
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How about sheep intestine? Haggis may save the world....
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