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Old 03/05/10, 05:41 AM
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Frozen barn water hydrant

This is the second winter in a row that my barn water, frost free, hydrant has frozen up on me. Need to wait till it thaws out to fix, but figure now is the time to get some help and make my plans.

Hydrant drain hole is 6' down. This year due to early snow cover that stayed, the frost is only 12-36" down.

Before it froze up, both years, the colder it was, the harder it was to pull the handle up. This would change based on the outside air temp rather than getting harder as the ground cooled off.

I have a large drain field down there, but it is in heavy clay.

I have two thoughts. One is that the drain field is filling up, but at the depth it is at, even with the clay it should not freeze up like that.

The other thought I have is that the rubber plunger at the bottom of the hydrant is shot and leaking a bit. Cold air moves in and flows down the pipe, freezing it into position.

Before it froze up, I would pull hard on it to get it open, but once I was done and tuned it off, it would slide easy, as though the water passing though it thawed out any built up ice.

What other ideas or causes could it be?

As always, thanks.

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Old 03/05/10, 06:33 AM
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Why not thaw it out now, so you can use it?

Wrap it with a short heat tape, and put a feed sack over the top and tie that in place. Pile straw or hay around it generously.

It will tke a day or two but it WILL thaw.

I've got the same situation here. If I remember to pile straw around the hydrant on the ground in the fall, I'm OK. I forgot last year.

The instructions on the heat tape will tell you it won't thaw pipes, but it will....just takes a couple of days.

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Old 03/05/10, 06:47 AM
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If you are leaving a hose attached, that may keep the hydrant from draining, thus causing the freeze-up. (Ask me how I know. . . .)

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I've had the same problem. On one I sprayed the handle with lubricant and that worked fine, on the other one, we wrapped it with heat tape dug down a foot and put heat tape down as far as possible and that has worked all through my bad winter. I was going to cover the heat tape one with a trash can but never got around to it. It hasn't frozen since.

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Old 03/05/10, 07:31 AM
 
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I have an outside hydrant that did that.It was freezing in the head due to the plunger thing being worn out.I could pour a pail of hot water over the whole thing and thaw it out.When I shut it off I was ok if it did not drip out a drip once in a while.I also put a bunch of pea rock around the bottom of the hydrant when I dug it up.

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Old 03/05/10, 08:13 AM
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Thanks for the replies.

I would disconnet the hose after each use, and as you said, guess how I learned that one a number of years ago.

I have heat tape wrapped and taped to the pipe from the top to the drain hole. Left it on for a week and did not thaw out. However, I did not cover with any straw, etc. Will cover it with straw/etc and try again.

Dumping hot water down the pipe worked for a few days, then froze up again.

I am leaning towards the plunger being bad, but very much welcome any and all other continued ideas to look at.

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Old 03/05/10, 08:38 AM
 
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Ours was doing this at the start of winter. We thawed it with a weed burner a few times. Finally pulled the guts and replaced everything, the plunger was scored but didn't appear really bad. It froze once more and I bought a jug of RV antifreeze with plans to shoot some down the pipe with a big syringe and some tubing. But before I could, it thawed and worked the rest of the winter. I also shot some compressed air down the hydrant to blow out the drain hole if that was the problem.

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Old 03/05/10, 08:47 AM
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Last time I put in a hydrant I used a 4" PVC pipe to surround it, shot it full of foam insulation and passed the pipe at the top through a PVC cap with a hole in it. Finished filling the voids with foam from there.

Fact of life is metal is a good conductor of heat. If the frost level is 3 feet deep heat will attempt to follow the metal to the cold layer. If that cold level starts where the PVC pipe ends the heat from the valve has to travel an extra 4-5 feet.

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Old 03/05/10, 10:04 AM
 
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There is a broad gambit in the design and the use of the materials that various manufacturers use in building hydrants. For example the best hydrants will have a non corroding stem. Others will have a steel shaft that will rust and bind. Box stores sell where the margin for the store is best. Old established plumbing supple houses tend to sell two types, the good and the cheap. It pays to be an informed buyer and there is a lot of information on the internet regarding yard hydrants. If the hydrantrant is outside then a 5 gallon bucket inverted over the hydrant will stop a lot of rain water from freezing inside the riser pipe.

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Old 03/05/10, 03:55 PM
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I had 2 hydrants freeze up at the beginning of the winter season. 1st one is in the horses loafing shed and I left the hose attached (da!) I thawed it out right away with a blow torch, kept the hose off, and it has worked fine since. The 2nd one is really old and completely out in the elements...no wind block or anything. It froze up right away when it got cold and I wasn't surprised. Then we got a mini thaw and it was working again so I started keeping a bucket over top of it...never froze up again. Amazed me when I trudged out there when it was 30 below (real temp not wind chill) and it kept on working!

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Old 03/05/10, 10:27 PM
 
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We have quite a few water hydrants. It's very convenient. But.... this year the one most protected in the barn froze up. They are supposed to be unable to freeze but we figure that it somehow didn't drain as it should. Grrr!
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