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Old 02/20/10, 04:18 PM
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One big wheel powered wheelbarrow

A standard wheelbarrow is handy even to get wood IF you have a path. Otherwise you are continually bumping up against rock or bit of limb or whatever that stops standard wheelbarrow wheel cold. Wont even mention pushing loaded wheelbarrow uphill....

So been wondering about designing a motorized wood cart with one big wheel say like 15inch temp spare tire from car. The wheel would be in the middle with motor above it and racks in front and rear of the wheel/engine. Simple centrifugal clutch to engage/disengage power.

Anybody built such a thing? Closest I've seen is a powered one wheel homemade cart some guy made to get deer carcass out of woods. I am sure he needed a buddy or two to keep it stablized as it was rather large flat platform and looked very tipsy.

One big wheel should navigate smaller stuff on path without having to stop and move it. Raising center of gravity not good thing as it would make it more unstable, but necessary evil.

The commercial made power wheelbarrows are just transaxle out of a garden tractor with dump box on top of it. Would be useless for what I want not to mention heavy and insanely overpriced for what they are.

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How wide a tire would you go with on it? That could help stabilize it, too.

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Rokon makes a 2-wheel drive motorcycle with a drawbar and a wood cart. Why walk when you can ride?

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There are some them out there. Maybe some of these will give you some ideas on building your own?

As for me, I bought a Jeep branded wheelbarrow years ago, and unless someone steals it from me, I think it will last me my life.

2 tires on the front are foam filled so they wont go flat, the tub is a durable heavy duty plastic, all hardware and fasteners are stainless steel so no rusting, and the handles are heavy duty square steel.
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Pull the wheel barrow backwards and it will ride right over the little bumps and take less manpower. TRY IT - It works

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Old 02/20/10, 08:28 PM
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I would love a small motorized cart like that - but smaller as in Bike wheels or motorcycle wheels - for hauling 'stuff' out of the barn and into the compost pile! Design away!

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i live downhill from my wood supply. my 2 wheeled wheelbarrow is awesome. it is much more stable than a single wheel barrow. it will be even more awesome when i can find some actual steel wheels to replace the cheap junk i bought at TSC...the wheels that had the hubs crack right out of the wheels under the weight of a full load banging over rocks and into holes.

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Old 02/20/10, 11:29 PM
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For most tasks I find I'm using a pull wagon over a push wheelbarrow. Treat yourself and go buy a 4 wheeler with a rack mounted basket! Farmshow has had a couple of power assist wheel barrows, but you need to subscribe to get details.

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Check out this gizmo. http://www.drpower.com/twostepmodels...els&fromprwmsh
Never tried it or seen it in person but it looks pretty cool. $1700.00 to $2500.00 though. Might be a good starting point for a do-it-yourself project though.................

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I am talking something that can wind its way through awkward path to get cut up firewood without making a smooth path for it, since once the wood is picked up, path would no longer be used. The two wheeled and commercial power wheelbarrows are too low to the ground. Big wheel rolls over uneven ground easier. It would have to be geared way way slow to go over rough ground.

I am thinking more along a powered version of this very old Chinese design:



Excellent engineering design far as ground clearance and ease of pushing with the large center wheel, but nowhere as convenient far as carrying a load as modern wheelbarrow. Well depending what you want to do with it. I think it could be a good design for gathering wood if you balance the load and gear it very slow driven by small engine.

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Check out this gizmo. http://www.drpower.com/twostepmodels...els&fromprwmsh
Never tried it or seen it in person but it looks pretty cool. $1700.00 to $2500.00 though. Might be a good starting point for a do-it-yourself project though.................
That is what I was referring to when I mentioned a wheelbarrow on top of a riding lawnmower transaxle. It would be worthless out in woods with that low axle two wheel design. Sure it could be handy for suburbanites or moving things over smooth path or yard. As to price, I paid less for my 50hp diesel farm tractor.... Its for people with too much money burning a hole in their pocket.
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Why is it when I see the thread title I get the image of a struggling and sweating little kid on his Big Wheel trike, with a rope attached to the back, heroically pulling a wheelbarrow guided by his father, who has a beer in hand?

Something like this seems like a perfect task for a mashup using a lead-acid battery, an electric scooter motor and a couple of cruiser bike wheels - one powered, one free-wheeling and only about six inches apart.

Bike tires are tall to get through mud and very strong. Having two will not appreciably widen the path requirements, but will make the barrow more stable. A friction drive with a large diameter wheel attached to the bike wheel can allow a relatively high speed motor to torque down by minimizing the diameter of the output shaft. Wheelbarrows don't get a lot of continuous use, but between loading and unloading times actual run time may only be a few minutes, well within the capacity of a decent battery.

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I would never go for a single-wheeled barrow again, motorized or no. You waste so much energy keeping it balanced and you easily torque your back. I can move so much more with my two-wheeler and no danger for spilling or destroying my back.

If you want to design something with the wheel in the center like in the picture, consider having 2 bicycle wheels slanted towards each other at the top [ /\ ] for more stability.

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I still dont think you folk are getting the idea of how poorly two wheels would work in a very rocky side of hill with various forest litter including branches, partially rotted logs, etc. Not talking some suburban backyard. What happens when one of the two wheels goes in hole and other is high and dry, its going to tip and spill the relatively heavy load, right? Even if I cut a path through any wood, I couldnt even safely get a tractor in there. Yea its that bad.

clearing a path to allow comfortable navigation with normal two wheel conveyances would mean more work than just walking out the wood armload by armload. Slipping with armload of wood can ruin your day (and body) too, plus VERY SLOW way to move any significant amount firewood. Hand carrying wood long distances is very disagreeable to me and makes me procrastinate and avoid it. A single wheel can snake around obstructions far easier than two wheels. I have had some luck with normal one wheel contractor style wheelbarrow in flatter area, but the wheel is small and too easily hangs up with the rocks and roots, or gets trapped in hole, etc. and the frame part in front of wheel will hang too since it sits so low. Pushing (or pulling) a loaded wheelbarrow uphill also isnt my fondest activity. Thus my idea of adding engine. It just would have to be geared very slow.

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HermitJohn I really wish that you and I lived closer to each other. I think we would work well together to produce some really off of the wall ideas into reality. It is fun at the very least to think about ideas and what would be needed to produce a usable item. If a test item is built, so what if it doesn't work or is found to be a totally useless idea after all.

Our thoughts are different on the aforementioned barrow project. I would opt for an electric battery powered unit, in part because I don't like noise of any kind and a gas engine would produce such. Electric would also allow an easy on/off finger switch instead of revving up a gas engine to engage a centrifugal clutch. Used to auger a lot of wheat while filling a grain drill box so I think a large battery powered unit would work.

I understand the need for a single wheel. Also for balancing tire pressure to decrease rolling resistance and to also the tire to flex over an object.

As to the many multi-wheel suggestions---I am guessing that many of you have simply never used a wheelbarrow enough to become confident and comfortable to use one with ease. Guess I learned from pushing loaded brick barrows along 2"X12" (10½") board paths on top of scaffolding while supplying masons with their needs. It is necessary to learn immediately. Also the same for pushing a barrow full of mortar while going over the overlap bumps of the boards.

Powered barrows, wheel hoes----come on spring so that I can get the welder out and set to work.

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I like quiet too, but battery big enough would add considerable weight and need second one if first leaves me stranded. I am impressed enough with Honda and Honda-clone engines, dont think I would be totally annoyed by noise. I tend to prefer bigger engine run half throttle than smaller engine running full out. Buzzy engines annoying, half throttle engine not so bad. This also is just for places I cant easily get to with tractor or 4wd pickup or conventional wheelbarrow.

I may just build a non-powered big wheel wheelbarrow first to see how I like it. Just time and welding rod. Dont like it, then its scrap for next project. Course if I design it so engine could be added later, that would probably be good..... Save building a second one. I suspect to get it slow enough have to use jackshaft. It will only have one speed so have to pick one that doesnt annoy me. A creeper gear for rough going and walking speed gear once out of the brush nice but probably not possible as only speed control I would have is engine rpm.

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Watch out mentioning them together or I'll combine them..... I've actually got the remains of an old factory built single wheel garden plow that looks much like that. I never put an engine on it cause it had a steel drive wheel with paddles. Knew that would be horrible with all my rocks. Probably be halfway decent with a weighted aggressive tread rubber tire. Well on previously worked soil, not going to plow sod with it.
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Ive got a powered 1` wheel wheel hoe called the iron mule. Never used it tho. Will this year. I also got a Wards 2 wheeled garden tractor with reverse. The reverse works from the back of another belt when I pull a rod and the belt back comes up against the drive wheel. Anyways, I see that Harbor Freight has a segmented belt, that I think might make a better contact than a smooth belt.

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HJ one problem I think about with gasoline engine use and centrifugal clutch is that the engine has to be wrapped up a fair amount, i.e. 2,000 rpms or more depending upon the clutch. http://www.noramclutch.com/CLUTCHES/4000.html

Instead of a jack shaft if you could incorporate a true mower transmission it would probably be better. Not sure when the old riding mowers did away with the truly geared ones but they seem to be getting harder to find on old mowers. More of a variable speed type of deal now.

The old paddle wheeled garden tractor might be more valuable to sell as parts than for salvage. Quite a bit of interest in them for use at antique engine/tractor shows.

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a mini bike wheel and sprocket should be about the right size.
light wieght motor and gear reduction , thats easy one of the mini tillers put a chain sprocket on one side to drive the mini bike wheel
boom you have a stardard powered wheel barrel
Would that work for ya ??

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I would love to have a motorized cart to go up on the mountain behind the house and get wood. There is bunches of trees down but there is no way to get a truck up there. You can get a 4wd 4 wheeler up but to dangerous to bring any weight back down. Gonna try to figure out a way if possible. People before tried to bring logs off with a horse and jerked the poor horse off the mountain. Luckily the horse didn't get hurt. Just have to figure a way to keep the logs from rolling. Sam

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HJ one problem I think about with gasoline engine use and centrifugal clutch is that the engine has to be wrapped up a fair amount, i.e. 2,000 rpms or more depending upon the clutch. http://www.noramclutch.com/CLUTCHES/4000.html

Instead of a jack shaft if you could incorporate a true mower transmission it would probably be better. Not sure when the old riding mowers did away with the truly geared ones but they seem to be getting harder to find on old mowers. More of a variable speed type of deal now.

The old paddle wheeled garden tractor might be more valuable to sell as parts than for salvage. Quite a bit of interest in them for use at antique engine/tractor shows.
Too many people interested in the old cast iron transmission garden tractors. And thats more weight. The paddle wheel plow looks like one I used to see in Mother Earth News, Organic Gardening, etc back in 70s. Its not a real antique, though much as I want to deny it, 70s era stuff is getting closer and closer to the 50 year antique mark..... I'd probably have to replace jackshaft bearings and chain on it, but maybe someday will stick engine on it just out of curiosity. I know those paddles wont like rocks here. I put big steel wheels (no paddles...LOL) on my homemade garden cart and you know when they go over a rock!

2000 to 2200, heck even 2400rpm is lot quieter than having small engine go full governed 3600 to 3800rpm. And if I really wanted I suppose a centrifugal clutch could be modified to engage at slower speed. But really 1800 is kinda minimum to get use out of modern small engine unless its really oversized. Not like those old engines with the big flywheel.
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a mini bike wheel and sprocket should be about the right size.
light wieght motor and gear reduction , thats easy one of the mini tillers put a chain sprocket on one side to drive the mini bike wheel
boom you have a stardard powered wheel barrel
Would that work for ya ??
Yes intended sprocket on side of wheel. But mini-bike wheel too small in my opinion. A big wheel navigates over obstacles much easier than small wheel. And going to a bigger wheel gets me back into a jackshaft as I doubt I could find a big enough sprocket to get speed down enough directly.

Look again at those pics I posted. I think variation on that Chinese design only with frame designed specifically to hold firewood. I really like that first pic I posted with wheelbarrow carrying brick though that variation wouldnt work for wood particularly. The guy who designed that was really clever. I wish all things were engineered like that, simple but clever.

And I need to make and experiment with such a wheelbarrow without an engine or motor before adding one. Still isnt going to be easy to push up hill loaded, but might be big improvement otherwise. I've just never used such a wheelbarrow. With weight more supported by wheel than normal wheelbarrow and wheel in middle instead of at far end, I wonder how it would handle. Its very old design so if it were awkward and unstable, doubt it would have survived over the centuries. Culture that designed it were very dependent on human power, there were no engines, just maybe oxen if you were wealthy.
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In that case look into a rear wheel off a full size older motor cycle sprocket would still be there and the size would be more to your liking .
since your not after speed a 30-1 worm gear at the final dive would provide torque , you would need to figure out the drive sprocket size.
Then you'll need to decide if you need reverse or not .
Ideally you could run the drive shaft along one of the handles
for a motor though your going to need around 50cc min

If it weren't for the battery weight (which could be balanced by the axle)
a 24 volt wheel chair drive would be nearly ideal

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What about using something like one of those Troybilt tillers without the tiller as the puller?

If you have snow just cut your wood and wait for snow to haul it on a toboggon.

Or set up cable lines like they do out west in the mountains. If you are only talking 500' or so that shouldn't be too much work.

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Get a 4-wheel mobility scooter and attach a 2-wheel cart to it.

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Get a low dollar pony off of Craigslist, and build a pack saddle frame with racks for wood on both sides. Load the wood evenly as you load him and he can carry more than you can push in a wheel barrow. He can go anywhere you can walk. If you have a little feed box at the house with a handful of oats in it, he will take his load of wood to the house without you being with him. During the summer he can clean out some of your underbrush if you string a hot wire around a patch at a time. Of course he would be like a gas engine and backfire on occasion. LOL

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In that case look into a rear wheel off a full size older motor cycle sprocket would still be there and the size would be more to your liking .
since your not after speed a 30-1 worm gear at the final dive would provide torque , you would need to figure out the drive sprocket size.
Then you'll need to decide if you need reverse or not .
Ideally you could run the drive shaft along one of the handles
for a motor though your going to need around 50cc min

If it weren't for the battery weight (which could be balanced by the axle)
a 24 volt wheel chair drive would be nearly ideal
I havent been to very many auctions last few years, used to run into some old non running motorcycles super cheap. But really think jackshaft and couple gokart sprockets would work. I'll have to think on speed some. Dont want to get stuck where it just creeps back to house once I get out of woods. On other hand dont want too fast out in woods.

I'll just have to build a non-power version first and see, trying to leave room to add sprocket and engine. No I dont want reverse. I want to keep this as light and simple as possible.
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What about using something like one of those Troybilt tillers without the tiller as the puller?

If you have snow just cut your wood and wait for snow to haul it on a toboggon.

Or set up cable lines like they do out west in the mountains. If you are only talking 500' or so that shouldn't be too much work.
Rarely get that much snow in Arkansas and it usually doesnt stay around that long. It doesnt bury the "hazards".

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Get a low dollar pony off of Craigslist, and build a pack saddle frame with racks for wood on both sides. Load the wood evenly as you load him and he can carry more than you can push in a wheel barrow. He can go anywhere you can walk. If you have a little feed box at the house with a handful of oats in it, he will take his load of wood to the house without you being with him. During the summer he can clean out some of your underbrush if you string a hot wire around a patch at a time. Of course he would be like a gas engine and backfire on occasion. LOL
Well thats a thought, but living creatures tend to want to be fed year round every day, not just when I want them to do work. I have no other use for such an animal.

The tiller suggestions, well have any of you ever taken a tiller out into the woods? They have small wheels and not very high off the ground. I dont think you would get very far. My old Gravely has problems just jumping a plow furrow in the garden.

The closest you would come with tiller is to get an old front tine tiller, remove the tines and mount tall wheels on the shafts, then appropriately gear down the drive speed with different pulleys. Still have the problem of two wheels connected to an axle going over things at tipsy angle and spilling the load. A wheelbarrow with two wheels connected by an axle maybe more stable on garden path or flat ground, but would be impossible to balance like a one wheel wheelbarrow in rough terrain.

as to a 4 wheeler, you are going to be cutting a path and even if it can navigate without a path, the suggested pull along trailer wont unless again you make a real path for it. The whole idea is to avoid bunch road building just to get wood from one tree one time. Plus they are kinda expensive just to retrieve some firewood.
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HJ, even if you tell me I'm not sure that I can comprehend it--but how much firewood at a time are you thinking of hauling? I know, I know, not like the loaded carriers we see pictured in India, but ????? pieces of wood X in length, size of carrier ??? or ??

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