tractor in Coraline movie?

[HermitJohn]

No not the fantasy world one that the "other father" drives and looks like giant praying mantis with wheels and a seat. If you watch background, at three points in movie where Coraline goes down the trail through the apple orchard to the old well there is a derelict old tractor with steel rear wheels and rubber front wheels. You just get brief glimpses so impossible to tell with movie running, but I went back and played movie on the computer and took snap shot of frames with tractor then cropped those frames down to just the tractor to make uploading them easier (I am on dialup).

So anybody have opinion on make and model. In the fantasy world frame the tractor is shown painted and restored and best I can tell painted like a John Deere, no real good view of engine compartment or the JD 2cyl and big flywheel would be obvious. Its not an old Farmall F series as it has styled sheetmetal on front and the F's didnt, plus rear steel wheels on an F are different.

[deaconjim]

I'm not sure what it is, but I think I know why they didn't catch on.

[fordson major]

i would say that it was a minniapolis moline

[suzyhomemaker09]

Who says it has to be modeled after a real tractor?

[Ross]

Front's styled on a Minnie the rear is more Farm-all maybe Deere

[HermitJohn]

This is stop action animation meaning they use actual model sets and dolls to make the movie frame by frame. I would assume they used some existing model tractor rather than creating generic one out of whole cloth. Especially since this tractor has nothing to do with the plot, its pure background, just like the old hayrack with the bushel baskets on it.

I really dont know much about steel wheel era Minneapolis Molines, only seen few of the later models. So have to take your word for it.

I will say the detail in this movie is great, especially the old house. I love seeing detailed model backgrounds rather than just some blurry animated background or matt painting. I've watched the movie several times with sound off just looking for visual details. Yea, I'm weird that way. Somebody involved in making this movie lived in a simular era/style house I would bet.

[FarmboyBill]

Im guessing Olivar. The paint as I see it is so dark, and Os being dark green already would have a head start on a MM. Ive seen several old MMs and I never saw one that looked that dark. I just looked at it again and now im positive its an O. The fenders, the type of seat suspension. The F wheels have been turned out to widen them.

[ace admirer]

Yeah, i'm going to get my photoshop up running to try to lighten up the photos,,,but it reminds me of a very early "oliver" a hart parr. (before the company was named oliver)

[rambler]

I was going to guess Oliver/ Cockshutt/ MM as well. It's in that family.

--->Paul

[HermitJohn]

Here is a pic of an Oliver 60 from the 1940s with rubber. The early ones apparently did come with optional rear steel wheels especially during war years, but not having lot luck finding a good pic. Anyway front in the movie tractor isnt exactly like the 60 but close, and front tricycle axle kinda juts out like the 60.

There is some overlap with Hart-Parr after Oliver aquired them, but most Hart-Parrs I've seen were rather brutish looking old things with a squarish 1920s utilitarian look to them, they werent styled.

[ace admirer]

i'm having a heck of a hard time finding my tractor books.....stopped collecting when i released it was a compulsion. the hart parr were around until 1935 (i think) and the rowcrop 70 model had styling almost as good as the later oliver fleet models. the grill looks hartparr 70 to me.

here are the features from the pics that i see (or think i see) correct me if my perception is wrong.

a. grilll has a bar down the center with relative flat top. it looks pure hart parr 70 to me.

B. is that a stylized radiator cap? if so it looks like the 1935 model 70 hartparr.

c. trycycle wheels set out front of the radiator grill on a rather squarish nose.. kinda like a MM model z but not the same, the later oliver triks had the axles tucked under the radiator not in front (the wide fronts had the nose in front), the hart parr had the forward noze trik axle.

d. those big A lights......mounted up high and the big utility light on the fender,,i have seen those huge lights in a photo somewhere,,,,the fenders look to be hart parr 70 also.

but:

e. the rear wheels have paddles, but i think the hartparr/oliver family had the paddles not flush with the wheel but sticking out at a larger diameter ....they were called "power on tiptoe" i guess they could be worn down or perhaps they are adjusted low..

f. the picture of the rear? that shows the horizontal cylindrical "bump"? my son says thats an early JD trait....i had the same thought in my mind also....seems to me the early olivers had a convex oblong shape at the rear more like an antique bread bowl.

g. help me out,,,is that a flat cushion seat mounted on the transaxle deck with a back rest pad above it? if so, its probably a hacked up replacement. JDs and oliver family of tractors of that date had seats mounted on a cantilever member, seldom with a backrest.

you fellows have got me going.....got to lighten up the pictures and find my tractor reference books...

but i bet one diet mountain dew that the front is late hart parr model 70.

[agmantoo]

does this help

[stormwalker]

It may have an Oliver in it?
I'm definitely going to get the DVD!

[Old Vet]

The grill on it looks like a Massey Harrison. Even the lights on it are like that.

[HermitJohn]

Originally Posted by stormwalker

It may have an Oliver in it?
I'm definitely going to get the DVD!

If you get it just for the Oliver (or whatever it is), then you will be disappointed. It is shown in just a few frames three different times as the main character runs by it on way to the old well. I imagine most viewers never even notice it, it goes by that fast. I would post the entire frames but currently my dialup is slower than usual and really annoying to do anything with even still images. And if you do a google on the tractor in Coraline movie, you will get endless crap about the "praying mantis helicopter-tractor" in the fantasy sequence. Again nobody seemed to have noticed the old derelict tractor in the orchard.

[HermitJohn]

Originally Posted by Old Vet

The grill on it looks like a Massey Harrison. Even the lights on it are like that.

If you could post pic or link to a pic of a restored MH that looks like this tractor, that would be helpful. Yea none of the Oliver/Cockshutt/MM tractors I have looked at had the lights like that. And the front isnt MM or any MM I can find. It pretty much has to be either an Oliver or Cockshutt. And I didnt find any steel wheel Cockshutt searching on the net. The best guess I have is its a very early Oliver 60 or 70. They both offered rear steel wheels.

Ok, just found couple tiny pics of a restored "unstyled" Oliver Hart Parr 70 with steel wheels. So think Ace is right. The pic of the 1940s Oliver 60 is styled. The 60 and 70 were nearly identical except for size.

[HermitJohn]

This is unstyled 70 on rubber. And yep, the unstyled had the vertical vents in the side cowls.

http://www.tractorshed.com/contents/tpic2663.htm

[HermitJohn]

Here is an unstyled 70 on steel:

[Macybaby]

maybe what you guys need to do is get on Ebay and look at model tractors for sale. Not always does the model look a whole lot like the original, and the OP said this was a scale model.

Now it is unlikely that they built a model for the shot so there may be something just like it for sale. Does not have to be old either, as lots and lots of scale models of old tractors are currently available.

However if someone said "we need a tractor model" and someone elses said "I got one I put together as a kid" then who knows what it might have been modeled after.


Cathy

[Ross]

Good catch Ace, I'd guess the set model was made for the movie but they obviously had a few pictures of a Hart Parr to work from!