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Old 12/22/09, 03:24 PM
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Anyone have experience with condensate or drip gas?

The only information my google fu has found so far on using condensate (or drip gas... naturally found distillate of crude oil found in natural gas wells) in vehicles or other small engines? Seems the octane is too low and there's no lubricants found in regular gas. People in the past ran their vehicles on it, mixing the condensate with mystery marvel oil, or other oil.

I have free natural gas here on the place, and I regularly have to clear out my 'drip tank' at the lowest point of my pipeline, draining off several gallons of drip gas at a time. Over at the well (on my property) they separate out most of the condensate in 500 barrel tanks. If the shtf or other such emergency occur sometime in the future, it'd be nice to be able to use this in a vehicle. Oil wouldn't be a problem, as they keep several 500 gallon tanks on hand, as well as 50 gallons of methanol. (would come in handy if I needed to make some farm biodiesel).

I have a 4 cylinder Suzuki Samurai, stripped of all electronic components. I'd like to be able to use this, after the world has shut down... to get around. Using the condensate with some oil (and extra oil) for the Stihl chainsaws would sure make life more convenient too... although for the well to be making condensate, it'd be making natural gas too, which I use now and would use even more... afterwards. I'd not dare try it now, on working vehicles... as I'd hate to burn em up. If I had some extra's lying around, or a boatload of cash, I'd experiment.

Anyone else have any knowledge? or done some experimenting?

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Old 12/22/09, 05:20 PM
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Over here in WV they used to use drip gas in there cars all the time. Then the government put a stop to it. (Not to sure but maybe it was tax money. What else). Some folks still have it but it is a well kept secret.

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Old 12/22/09, 05:49 PM
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Don't know a thing about "drip gas" (which I take it is apparently a liquid)

As I understand it, and maybe someone else here can provide more information, many of the automobiles made in the last year or so, have computer adjusted injectors that can adjust to less than perfect fuels....
of course, that would mean you would have to try it on a new car or truck.

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Old 12/22/09, 07:33 PM
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"Some folks still have it but it is a well kept secret. "

That's a fact. Some of the local well tenders and others that have access to wells still use it. I ran into someone at a flea market a few months ago that mentioned running his truck on drip gas. Next time I see him, I'll ask.

I'm not sure how it compares with gasoline (whether it is more or less flammable). An acquaintance ended up at a burn center within the past month or so trying to use drip gas in a small engine. I don't know what caused the explosion.

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Old 12/23/09, 04:07 AM
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I know a guy that has about 20 or so barrels of drip gas. He uses it for everything, one of his tractors is gas powered and he has an old pickup and I believe his lawnmower uses it.
I had heard that his ATV wont run on it not sure why.

I don’t believe my pickup can use it but I understand that newer cars and trucks can use it. The reason I suspect it is so dangerous is it isn’t handled properly.

I also think and I am not sure on this if you use it for yourself and it is from your well it is legal to use, you just can’t sell it. There may be insurance issues even if you use it for yourself.

Wish I had some for myself.

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Old 12/23/09, 06:18 AM
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My family used drips when I was young. They installed two tanks due to the low Octane. In town wifes would forget and be on drips at a stop light. When they started off they would ping. Every one would laugh point and holler pinger. What would be great about your drips would be bio diesel.
One of the alternative methods for making bio is centrifuge used motor diesel and then cut it with cob gas to the right viscosity. Your drips would be fine for that and I would have diesel for everything.

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................That stuff is not good for an engine . I'm thinking it is prone to causing misfires , where the ionized gas\air mixture pre combusts before the piston reaches top dead center . When this happens the flame front doesn't ignite the total gas\air volume and it cause all kinds of problems . You'll know soon enough once you try to start anything you put it into . Plus , the octane rating is lower than even 87 grade . Back during the depression some folks powered their vehicles on it . Probably called it , "Hoover Gas" , lol !

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Old 12/23/09, 07:47 AM
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Maybe you could set up a gasifier for it and run it like methane.

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Old 12/23/09, 10:06 AM
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I wonder if retarding the timing some would help with the pinging. Also I have a feeling an old tractor with a 6:1 compression ratio would probably run just fine on the stuff. Maybe if one could lower the compression on their motor it would run better on it.

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Old 12/23/09, 11:32 AM
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Back in the late 60's/early 70's when I lived in Texas and drip gas was pretty common in my social group, I was told that tossing a mothball in the tank made the cars run better. (Upped the octane?)

And, that's all I know! (or remember, anyway)

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Old 12/23/09, 11:34 AM
 
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Color tells a lot...

What color is the drip? If it's clear, it's really good stuff...probably would run in saw.Should NOT have a problem in vehicle but engine life will be shorter.

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Old 12/23/09, 12:19 PM
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What a coincidence.... late last night I went over to Rawles' Survivalblog.com site and one of his posts was concerning drip gas and how he was incorporating it and details on how to use it in an upcoming version (new?) of "Patriots".

My drip gas is crystal clear.

Having the nitty gritty details on how to convert engines over to use it, or what additives to add to make it usable, could be very valuable, if we had a "One Second After" scenario, or a shtf situation, where fuel supplies were non existent. Most of the farmers hereabouts keep a healthy supply of diesel on hand. But gasoline storage isn't as common.

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Old 12/23/09, 12:29 PM
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In a SHTF situation, I'd go with diesel. A diesel will operate on a wide variety of oils. Someone with access to soy beans or other potential oil seed crops should look into an extruder to extract the oil.

Back in the eighties Moroso made a fuel additive that was used for racing. a gallon can cost about $20. It took about a cup per tank of gasoline. I had a Dodge B300 w/318 that I used to haul a 30,000 lb load from PA to MS. The engine was pinging like crazy until I used the additive. The 318 was doing 65mph up the mountains in TN.

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Old 12/23/09, 04:02 PM
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I just talked to a friend of mine today about drip gas.

He said it is a clear liquid and is very volatile but has a lower octane rating. His cars used to ping going up hills.

They add a little marvel mystery oil to help with top end lubrication.

They used to use it to power the big old one cylinder engines, he knows people who still run this kind of setup the engines are hooked up to a generator head and they have free electricity. There is away to pipe the exhaust through a water bath type muffler and you can’t hear the engine run. He said you can hear the flywheels whistle. And the running gear noise. He knows a guy who runs a 30 KW generator, powers his whole house and his workshop. For free. Been doing it for 40 years on the same engine and a couple of new generator heads. Uses his Natural gas for heat and cooking, hot water.

These engines can be bought around here for around $500 to $1000.00 dollars in good running shape. A 30 KW marathon generator head costs around $3000.00 dollars the switch gear and voltage stabilizers are another 1500.00, and another 1000 for miscellaneous things. Total = $6500.00 for a 30 KW generator.

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Used to burn drip some back in the early 60's. I lived in SE NM and it was plentiful. Sure did stink! You could smell a drip burning car a 1/2 block away. I usually filled the tank about 1/2 full of ethyl and top up with drip. It didn't ping then. Danged stuff was dangerous though..highly volatile. I heard of several accidents caused by static electricity setting it off in sandstorms and thunderstorms where guys were badly burned. I never poured it in those conditions.

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Old 12/23/09, 08:44 PM
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Yes, need to stock up on octane boosters. Buy some nice Avgas and mix it with the drip.

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Yes, need to stock up on octane boosters. Buy some nice Avgas and mix it with the drip.
.............Very good idea , lol ! , And , If you could find an old studebaker with the Propeller on Da nose , you could run Avgas , exclusively ! , fordy
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