Ammo? Problems!

[braggscowboy]

I know I have seen on here about shortages of ammo, but not have seen any problem where I live in NE Okla. When I opened up on my IE I read the news headlines and it stated that gunshops in the area of Tulsa are having problems getting ammo. Even the police departments are having problems getting what they want or need. They blame this on the needs of the military. Gun shops think their problem is with people stockpiling. My grandson sold 6 boxes of 7mm Rem, mag ammo to one person for $106. Don't have a 7 mag. I sold some old 30-30 ammo with the old Rem. boxes. I do have some 30-30's and kept one of the boxes, but I have ammo for them. I sold some 8mm and some 30-40 krag. I had some 35 mag. that did not sell. Some of the stuff that I buy at flea markets and yard sales to resale.

[deb]

Originally Posted by braggscowboy

I know I have seen on here about shortages of ammo, but not have seen any problem where I live in NE Okla. When I opened up on my IE I read the news headlines and it stated that gunshops in the area of Tulsa are having problems getting ammo. Even the police departments are having problems getting what they want or need. They blame this on the needs of the military. Gun shops think their problem is with people stockpiling..

Stockpiling. If I had a dime for each post I read on HT about HT folks buying more ammo to stockpile, then I would be able to pay off my mortgage. DH reads it on the forums he reads as well.

American Ammo manufacturers are running 3 shifts and giving OT, but it isn't enough. I guess it makes the economy "go", but wonder when people will get tired of being scared.

deb
in wi

[Sawmill Jim]

Who said anyone is scared ??? Anyone ever hear about being prepared Last winter i saw scared people our little ice storm took out power for about 14 days There were scared folks standing in line the first night after scratching for cash to buy food .

We were sitting down stairs nice fire going cooking supper didn't matter if we went to the store that month let alone that day .

Obama was voted #1 gun an amo salesman of the year . The day after you need something sometimes isn't the best time to get it .

I'm not looking for a war but someone comes looking for one i don't want them to leave disappointed either

[Cornhusker]

I don't think people are scared, just prepared for the worst.
Of course, a shortage kind of builds on itself.
People who would normally only buy a box of two of a particular ammo are more likely to get sa much as they can when they do find it because maybe next time they need some it might not be there.
Most retailers have now set limits to how much you can buy so one or two people don't wipe out their whole inventory.
It's getting better, our local Wal-Mart and Cabela's both have more ammo more often than they have for months.

[beowoulf90]

Originally Posted by deb

Stockpiling. If I had a dime for each post I read on HT about HT folks buying more ammo to stockpile, then I would be able to pay off my mortgage. DH reads it on the forums he reads as well.

American Ammo manufacturers are running 3 shifts and giving OT, but it isn't enough. I guess it makes the economy "go", but wonder when people will get tired of being scared.

deb
in wi

Now that is funny!

You honestly believe those who have a stockpile of ammo are scared?

That would be the farterest thing from the truth. Have you been snowed in for days/weeks? Well let me tell you I am not walking to town to the store. The ammo provides me with fresh meat if needed. It also protects me and my family if needed. It protects my animals from predators, both two and four legged. Do I keep a supply on hand at all times.. You bet I do. Scared! not in the least, but prepared so I don't have to be like the city folk and whine to the government about not having enough to live off of...

You do have to remember that those of us who choose to live outside of the cities, tend to fend for ourselves. We don't rely on the Government to support us or take care of us.. We prefer to do that ourselves..

But this is just my opinion

[arabian knight]

Originally Posted by deb

Stockpiling. If I had a dime for each post I read on HT about HT folks buying more ammo to stockpile, then I would be able to pay off my mortgage. DH reads it on the forums he reads as well.

American Ammo manufacturers are running 3 shifts and giving OT, but it isn't enough. I guess it makes the economy "go", but wonder when people will get tired of being scared.

deb
in wi

I with you a 100%. In this day in age it just isn't necessary at all, this is the 21st. century not the 1800's.

[7thswan]

Are you thinking one day people woke up scared? Mayee People that like to be "Prepaired" , look at everyday as a time to work for the future. That helps to keep us from ever feeling scared. Just ready.

[65284]

Originally Posted by deb

Stockpiling. If I had a dime for each post I read on HT about HT folks buying more ammo to stockpile, then I would be able to pay off my mortgage. DH reads it on the forums he reads as well.

American Ammo manufacturers are running 3 shifts and giving OT, but it isn't enough. I guess it makes the economy "go", but wonder when people will get tired of being scared.

deb
in wi

I'm already tired of being scared. Scared that the liberals, especially the liberal Democrats now in control, are going to continue with their subversion of the Constitution and do everything in their power to limit/control/outlaw our right to posess firearms.

I don't think people are sacred enough. It’s my opinion that this President and congress are the worst threat to the Second Amendment rights of the citizens of this country that we have ever had.

If anyone wants to have ammo on hand they better stock up while stocking up is possible. I fear as soon as soon as this administration get finished with whatever sort of health care mess they brew up they will turn their attention to disarming the populace.

[Sawmill Jim]

14 days no electric would like to see how some you city slickers make do We are six miles to the nearest small town with no electric they were shut down too . Said if you needed supply's go to the fire dept then said all roads were closed you get caught out you get a ticket

You are right it isn't 1800's if we aren't smart enough by now to be prepared an take care of our self there is no hope for some .Sort of like a hurricane they tracked that ice storm for days .And those fools sat still saying the Gurberment will take care of us .

[Macybaby]

The ammo shortage has caused no problems for DH and I. We had enough on hand to weather "storms" like this. Things are finally starting to ease up a bit (have been tight since last fall). Around here the self defense calibers are very hard to find. 380ACP is the worst.

We have decreased our normal purchases and have been using our supply. When things loosen up a bit more we'll replenish our stores. Most of our Ammo is bought in components except rimfire.

Cathy

[fishhead]

I wonder how many people have stockpiled ammo but didn't stockpile other necessities like food, water, TP. If they haven't covered all their bases I would call them "scared".

The librules are gonna get ya! Be afraid!

[Callieslamb]

I think those that are "prepared" aren't buying ammo right now.....
I don't think people are scared enough right now about events going on around them. Let each prepare in the way they feel they need to without criticism.

[beowoulf90]

Originally Posted by fishhead

I wonder how many people have stockpiled ammo but didn't stockpile other necessities like food, water, TP. If they haven't covered all their bases I would call them "scared".

The librules are gonna get ya! Be afraid!

I would agree with that!

If the only thing they are stockpiling is ammo and not food, water etc.. Then yes I would consider them scared! But those of us who do keep preps for all the things we need to survive are not scared, just well prepared..

As I've said before, I want to see how the city folk do without power for a few days/weeks... For us it wouldn't be a problem and we have done it before.. Sure it makes things harder, but since we are prepared for it and it does happen occasionally. We are at the end of the line with only 8 homes on our run.. So when power goes out, we are normally the last to see it fixed.. All the city folk have more priority then us..

But agian we are accustom to it... We have lighting, generators and fuel if we need, food, ammo to take more food if needed etc...

Since we are on the side of a large hill we see our share of accidents from the city folks who don't understand that the sign says 25 mph for a 160 degree corner/switchback and still the response time for any emergency personel is about 30 mins...

We've dealt with the emergencies till they get there.. But I guess it's not a good thing to be prepared for such thing, cause we give the city folk a bad name...

[oakwoods201]

Are we scared? Yes! Anyone who is not scared in these times is crazy (IMHO). But we are also prepared- for the most part. Of course, DH let his 308 ammo run low. When we had to make our 'town run', we checked at Wally World and they didn't have any! The clerk said they only get 1 box per shipment and they only get a shipment every 2-4 weeks. he said the 308's are usually snapped right up because they inter change with AK47's. So now we are trying to buy the equipment to reload our own. DH's brother used to reload all his own ammo, so we have some experience to help.

[tyusclan]

Originally Posted by oakwoods201

he said the 308's are usually snapped right up because they inter change with AK47's.

A .308 DOES NOT interchange with an AK47 (7.63X39)!

They are the same CALIBER but very different CARTRIDGES.

[salmonslayer]

A .308 DOES NOT interchange with an AK47 (7.63X39)!

In general your correct but some AK-47s are chambered for .308 and even .223 though I would seriously doubt there are enough of them floating around to create a .308 ammo shortage.

We didnt have any trouble up here until this summer when I noticed Wally World had virtually no ammo and strict restrictions on the ammo they did have. The salesman said they keep ordering ammo but none comes in.

[EDDIE BUCK]

Originally Posted by fishhead

I wonder how many people have stockpiled ammo but didn't stockpile other necessities like food, water, TP. If they haven't covered all their bases I would call them "scared".

The librules are gonna get ya! Be afraid!

You won't be needing them groceries dead.As long as I have a gun and some bullets, Im gunna eat.

[byexample]

I believe in being prepared... and I am. But I've also seen plenty of folks that are just going overboard. Hundreds of rounds seems prudent... thousands is getting into the realm of extreme unless you are a regular shooter or hunter. I've got friends that shoot and hunt all the time... makes sense for them to have thousands of rounds. I know other folks that haven't shot their guns in years. And some of them are buying ammo like it's going out of style. That's when it gets silly and is obviously fear-based.

If you are shooting it -- buy up. If you're not... stop buying please. You probably have enough to blow yourself up already... job done.

As far as the political party commentaries... I suppose I'll dip my toes in shortly...

It surprises me that the American people are still able to see much of a difference between the Republicans and the Democrats. Because I just don't see it any more. Not only do they seem like two sides of the same coin... but it's a 2 headed coin. Neither gives a rat's tushie about anyone or anything but getting re-elected as far as I can tell. Both lie -- pervasively and passionately. And I don't think either believes a single word they say. One wants to wipe their butt with the constitution the other wants to use it to start a fire. That's not much of a difference, really.

As I see it our political system exists for one purpose -- to serve their corporate masters and manage/placate the plebs. And as long as we allow the politicians and corporations to divide us and have us fighting amongst ourselves over petty differences and hot-button topics... they will continue to rule for their benefit, not ours.

People before corporations. The Constitution and Bill of Rights were written by the people for the people. Corporations are NOT people... they are "artificial legal entities" that have rights... like the right to free speech. But they don't really exist except on paper. How does something that doesn't physically exist have a right to free speech??? Or any rights at all for that matter. The day our ancestors decided to empower corporations to have most of the rights that a real, living person does is the day that our country started down a dark path in my opinion. And until we rein these legal machines in we'll continue to live under their control and influence.

Best to all,

Patrick Harris
http://ByExample.com

[braggscowboy]

You know, I have been prepared pretty much for a lot of years. Not because of fear or not because I am afraid I can't eat, but pretty much out of necessity. I live about 12 miles from the nearest place to get groceries (one store) and it is about 27 miles to where we buy our supplies. To keep from running to get what we need, we try to keep as much on hand as possible. I have been buying ammo at flea markets and "good buys" from sport shops, and etc. for a long time and put it in ammo cans. I also have everthing to load several cal. because I did a lot of reloading and shooting once, therefore I have a lot of reloading supplies. I am not too concerned about doing away with our rights because I don't think the people would stand for it. I live in Oklahoma and our Reps. and Sen's. are pretty much sportsmen. I know it can happen and that is why I feel it is necessary to keep on hand as much as you can afford. If you are just now starting to accumilate, then it will be difficult. I still think garage sales and flea markets are the best sources where people aren't aware of the problem. I had it pretty rough as a kid (poor). I did not know it though. I would trap rabbits and sell for 50 to stores and hides on occasion. I am 66 now and want to have on hand for my grandkids for when the get older and cannot get ammo. Auctions are a good source also. Even if you don't have a gun of that cal. You can trade to a friend for something you can shoot or sell and buy something you can. No, I am not scared, but I want to provide for my family in the future. Yes we were also out of electricty for long periods twice from ice. Didn't fire a shot at anything, but could have if needed. I would watch and buy all .22 and shotgun ammo that I could and you could make it with that if need be. A .22 has probally killed more game than everything put together. Be prepared and not scared. There is a difference.

[GoldenCityMuse]

Patrick has some good points about the artificial personhood of corporations. The problem I have been seeing with corps. is that there is not a real person who is responsible for their actions. It is way too easy to pass the buck.

Concerning ammo, fear CAN be a healthy emotion. Fear about being powerless is very valid, and having a weapon to multiply force can do much to assuage ones healthy fear about the plans our govt. may have for us. Stocking up on difficult to grow or produce on your own items can be very helpful in the future.

There is a real concern about govt bureaucrats using rules & regs to subvert the 2nd amendment, and so we should get a lifetime supply while the getting is good.

Now, I'm not sure deb meant scared to be such a negative word, maybe she was using it as a synonym for gravely concerned. I don't know. Since very few of us are prescient, we can only look to the past to see how oppressive govt's worked, and take appropriate measures. Ammo is only part of the total 'be prepared' equation.