Firefighter kills 2 pet dogs to go on cruise.

[Home Harvest]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/07/08/...ef=mpstoryview

This story was posted on a local news board, and there was unanimous outrage at this firefighter's actions. Of course people were calling for him to be hung up and shot.

I am curious about thoughts from other homesteaders, because I wrote that while what this guy did was disgusting, and he had other options, and the dogs weren't even sick, I am concerned about new laws being written that will swing too far the other way.

We have been processing broilers on the weekends. And, as I told the locals you can't eat chicken without killing chicken. Likewise a sick or injured animal may need to be put down without a vet being available. Even if we care for our animals, and respect them, there may come a time when our consience tells us the end has come, and we must do what is right. I'd hate to have to break the law to perform an act I KNOW is right. But I would.

Of course even in the best of times I obey the SSS rule, so I'm not overly concerned. In fact the biggest mistake the firefighter made was bragging about what he had done. But I'm curious about what other homesteaders think of this guy's actions, his punishment, and most important what backlash we may see from our city brothers and sisters in the form of new restrictive animal rights laws.

[DQ]

ya know. normally I would say that they are his dogs to do with as he pleases as far as putting them down or not for whatever reason...... but..... the fact that he felt the need to string them up in the basement and fire 11 rounds into them tells me there is something sick going on. anyone I know who would put a dog down would do so humanely, the same way as we do our livestock a quick clean, clear shot to the head designed to instantly kill them. there is something wrong with this guy.

[starjj]

Personally I find his actions disgusting beyond words.

[7thswan]

After reading the posts, I will not read the article. Animal abuse sickens me.

[Home Harvest]

Originally Posted by starjj

Personally I find his actions disgusting beyond words.

I agree with your sentiment, but does it concern you that humane groups might use nuts like this to promote their agendas, and that homesteaders and small farmers might find ourselves under a microscope?

It seriously concerns me that PETA considers rabbit farming to be cruel, to the point where they commit trespass and larceny in order to "save" or "rescue" rabbits destined for the freezer.

Yes, these were dogs, and we don't eat dogs, but will that line be clear to the people writing the laws? Is a rabbit a pet, or is it livestock? Is a dog property, or does it have rights? Tough questions, and the answers may have implications for our chosen lifestyle.

[NorCalChicks]

I have no love for PETA, they are just as bad as any other fanatical group.
I do think this guy has some major issues, and that people are missing that as the big picture. He did not simply put his dogs down, he tortured them, and that points to some serious mental problems. Personally I would still have issues with him killing his dogs because he couldn't afford to board them - if he can't afford that then he couldn't afford to go on stupid cruise.
As for the laws changing because of this and other stories like it, I would hate to see homesteaders/farmers bare the brunt of those kind of changes. I would much prefer to see harsher sentences for people who commit these types of atrocities. 90 days to be split into 10 day increments over 2 years is ridiculous.

[myheaven]

DQ I fully agree with you. With a .22 can drop a 300 lb pig in one shot why in Gods named did he take 11. There was no need. The fact that he was bragging about it to his co workers say it was something hanus. I can see PETA useing this as their agenda pusher also.

[stormywood]

Originally Posted by NorCalChicks

I have no love for PETA, they are just as bad as any other fanatical group.
I do think this guy has some major issues, and that people are missing that as the big picture. He did not simply put his dogs down, he tortured them, and that points to some serious mental problems. Personally I would still have issues with him killing his dogs because he couldn't afford to board them - if he can't afford that then he couldn't afford to go on stupid cruise.
As for the laws changing because of this and other stories like it, I would hate to see homesteaders/farmers bare the brunt of those kind of changes. I would much prefer to see harsher sentences for people who commit these types of atrocities. 90 days to be split into 10 day increments over 2 years is ridiculous.

I so agree!

[starjj]

Originally Posted by Home Harvest

I agree with your sentiment, but does it concern you that humane groups might use nuts like this to promote their agendas, and that homesteaders and small farmers might find ourselves under a microscope?

It seriously concerns me that PETA considers rabbit farming to be cruel, to the point where they commit trespass and larceny in order to "save" or "rescue" rabbits destined for the freezer.

Yes, these were dogs, and we don't eat dogs, but will that line be clear to the people writing the laws? Is a rabbit a pet, or is it livestock? Is a dog property, or does it have rights? Tough questions, and the answers may have implications for our chosen lifestyle.

Peta considers keeping pets as abuse. If it was up to them there would be no killing of ANY animal. Next time you kill a racoon be careful or a Peta person may drop out of the tree.

[ninny]

Originally Posted by starjj

Peta considers keeping pets as abuse. If it was up to them there would be no killing of ANY animal. Next time you kill a racoon be careful or a Peta person may drop out of the tree.

They wont make that mistake but once. Wonder what you can get for a pelt from a PETA member. And then again, it might just look good hanging on the wall.


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[Home Harvest]

Originally Posted by ninny

They wont make that mistake but once. Wonder what you can get for a pelt from a PETA member. And then again, it might just look good hanging on the wall.


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Be careful out there. Check out this story.

http://wave.prohosting.com/antiar/PETAphiles.html

Just my 2 cents:

There is a huge difference between slaughtering an animal raised for food and whacking your own pet dog. Most folks whom I know would rather have someone else shoot their old, sick, or injured pet rather than do it themselves..it's very emotionally upsetting..

I'd not want to be anywhere near a human being who strung up his dogs from a basement pipe and shot them numerous times in order to avoid the cost of boarding them while he went on a cruise. Dogs are special..they love us unconditionally..even when they ought not to do so..they wag their tails..happy to be in our company..they TRUST us not to mistreat them..

I think the punishment was sufficient..plus he certainly needs to be fired..who would want him for a trustworthy co-worker? Not to mention that he had the audacity to dump the poor dead dogs on the fire station property.
Scumbag..personified.

[Ravenlost]

I agree bostonlesley, although I don't think he got enough jail time...90 days to be served 10 days at a time over a 2 year period? A joke.

The guy is a sick and disgusting person and his lawyer isn't much better..."It's the same old story. They couldn't care less about people and they love animals," lawyer Sam Shamansky said.

WHY WHY WHY do so many people assume that if one cares about animals one doesn't care about people???

[SLD Farm]

An animal is pure innocence. It does not scheme, it does not lie. If you can abuse/neglect an animal, no telling what you are capable of doing to a person. That is why so many people prefer their pets over people.

That man is uterly disgusting.
It is bad enough that he decided to kill them rather than board them or find them another home but to do it in that manner.....horrible.
I am a farmer and an animal lover. My dogs are my kids. I also believe however, that livestock must serve their purpose. However, my animals live the very best life I can give them. Good food, good shelter, proper care and respect...that includes the bullet that ends it. One bullet, no suffering.
That man deserves to be strung up and shot eleven times, but don't kill him. Let him suffer like those dogs did in their final moments. I lose faith in humanity a little more every day.

[tyusclan]

I think if he wanted to shoot his dogs he should have been able to do it. Dogs are not people, they're animals. They were HIS animals.

Having said that, I do not think he should have strung them up and tortured them. That is abuse and he should be charged for that.

[Pearl B]

I cant read the story, some things just break my heart & this is one of them.

I don't think I would call him a Human.

Even wild animals are kinder than that.

Is it just me or does anyone else sense some kinda creeping evil coming through, or are the demons just being exposed for what they are?

Or has this always being going on & due to instant media we are starting to figure out just how sick, some so-called humans are?

[Shrek]

While he was within his rights to put down his animals, he violated state and federal laws pertaining to animal abuse anf fabricating a silencer.

Odds are he will get more on the weapons charge than the animal abuse charges.

[Ravenlost]

Originally Posted by SLD Farm

An animal is pure innocence. It does not scheme, it does not lie. If you can abuse/neglect an animal, no telling what you are capable of doing to a person. That is why so many people prefer their pets over people.

That man is uterly disgusting.
It is bad enough that he decided to kill them rather than board them or find them another home but to do it in that manner.....horrible.
I am a farmer and an animal lover. My dogs are my kids. I also believe however, that livestock must serve their purpose. However, my animals live the very best life I can give them. Good food, good shelter, proper care and respect...that includes the bullet that ends it. One bullet, no suffering.
That man deserves to be strung up and shot eleven times, but don't kill him. Let him suffer like those dogs did in their final moments. I lose faith in humanity a little more every day.

Me too, but then, any faith I had left in humanity died Jan. 9th when an idiot stopped on the bridge and shot two of our dogs while my husband was walking them on our property. One died and the other lost a back leg. There are a lot of horrible, sick, disgusting people in the world and I have nothing but hate in my heart where they are concerned.

[HilltopDaisy]

I work in an environment where there are "human beings" who do not have any redeaming qualities. None. They add nothing to society/the world/humanity, and they never will, as long as they live. (And I already know who will argue this point ~ so go right ahead.)

This guy is/was destined for greater things.

C'mon, do you really need to wonder about a man who would *string up* two dogs in his basement, and *make a silencer* for his weapon, and *fire 11 shots* to eliminate innocent pets? so he could go on VACATION?

[HilltopDaisy]

Originally Posted by tyusclan

I think if he wanted to shoot his dogs he should have been able to do it. Dogs are not people, they're animals. They were HIS animals.

Having said that, I do not think he should have strung them up and tortured them. That is abuse and he should be charged for that.

This makes my heart bleed.