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Old 06/15/09, 03:31 PM
Brenda Groth
 
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Living on Less by request

ronbre...I would love to see you start another thread on how your living on so little.

I really don't know how to go about answering that request..as it has just been a way of life that we have had for a very very long time.

Our original homestaed we bought in 1971 for $8,000 on time. We have always bought used cars and done most of the work on them ourselves.
We learned early on that if you don't go in debt then you don't get into trouble..believe me..we have gotten into debt and in trouble big time a few times in the past..but now we have even stopped using all credit cards, debit cards, etc..and pay cash or write a check for everything..Our home and vehicles are paid off and if we don't need it, generally we don't buy it.

We do however have a beautiful home, a lot of that was thanks to good fire insurance. We lost the original home to a lightening strike fire and we were able to purchase a double wide and new furnishings and clothing on our insurance money and nearly break even.

My husband is mentally disabled so it is extremely difficult for me to be away from him for very long..2 years ago I attempted working at a factory, but things got so out of hand at home and I developed double carple tunnel that required surgery, so that lasted a year and I had to come back to caring for him at home with no income at all.

So we live on his social security and a very small pension. We have to pay more than half of the income each month out in his social security supplemental and my insurance..which is only major medical and cancer insurance.

We know that not having those two things could wipe us out in one accident or illness..so we pay for them.

Other than the insurances we are quite frugal with our spending. I have absolutely HUGE gardens and plant more trees and plants every year than most people would plant in a lifetime.

God has truly blessed us with extra income from time to time..but generally we end up giving most of it away..When my son moved a double wide in next to us..we paid for his garage from an inheritance when Ron's mother died.

We sold her house and bought a wood boiler that now heats both of our hosues..but we went through 40 cord of firewood last year..heating both homes..my son is automotive industry job related and is working only 10 days a week since October..so he wasn't able to help pay for the heat or the installation of the wood boiler..etc..so our inheritance mostly went to him ..paying housepayments for him, building him a garage, and putting the wood boiler in and firewood..but as I said..God always makes sure we have enough money to go around.

It worked out to where our income tax returns this year will pay for our property taxes for next year.

I am buying food through www.angelfoodministries.com to save some money ..it mostly supplies our meat.. We have a freezer and I always buy things whey they are dirt cheap..shop at Meijers 2 times a month and stock up on things that are on their Buy 10 for $1 each and get the 11th item free.

so I buy a lot of 90 cent items..and we eat what we have.

Sometimes we'll have meals together with our son..we'll throw things on the grill and open cans of whatever is available..that saves for both of us on cooking..

I hang most of my laundry inside to dry to save on elec..and we put compact flourescents or LEDS in most of the lights in the house when elec rates skyrocketed..we share our car with our son..but we also have a pick up and a tractor (that was also bought with inhertance money). Joel did work for the neighbor ..excavating..and they gave us 25 gallons of diesel fuel and a $10 gas card..which purchased chain saw gas.

Ron also got a good chainsaw with the inheritance..so that did help us out in a lot of those incidental areas..but that money is nearly all gone now..we are holding on to the last $1000 to put a woodshed addition up to hold this year's firewood..and we bought the firewood by the semi load..$700 for a load this spring..so it has to be cut yet before fall.

I have salads and herbs growing and we forage for whatever we can in the woods behind our house..We try to eat what is in season as much as we are able..so we had rhubarb last month..and the freezer has rhubarb in it for fall.

I try to establish perennials in the gardens to feed us year around..asparagus earlier this spring..morel mushrooms..etc.

we did replace a lot of our clothing when we had the housefire..but we mostly wear jeans and t shirts..we aren't too fancy people.

we do not go to restaurants more than one or two times a year..and that is likely mcdonalds or burger king..we don't take trips..we seldom go to movies..however..we do have directv..with Ron's head injury it was necessary to his mental health to have it to watch.

We share internet costs and cell phone with our son..my cell phone is my computer modem..it is $55 a month..but i gave him enough money to pay for it for 2 years when we had our inheritance come in..so i don't have to pay again until a year from October..so basically it is paid for.

we don't pay for water, we have a well..we share dump services with our son..nice to have him next door. we often ride together to stores to shop..esp big things like lumber..etc.

we also barter services when possible..and try to come up with free stuff when we can.. we barter back and forth with my brother in law for tractor tools..we use his ..he uses ours..

for $46 we were able to use the backhoe that the neighbor rented for $1500 a week..we paid for the hours we used over their limit..and did some work for them with our tractor and backblade..smoothing and landscaping.

my sisters and I share perennial seeds and divisions..and i take cuttings of trees, roses, shrubs and plants..so i can always have more more more...and after 38 years of gardening..i have lots of plants to divide.

i get a discount on the telephone from our telephone company, and occasionally we'll get a sr discount..but not often as i'm not old enough right now.

if we wanted to travel..Ron could get free access to state and federal parks cause of his disaiblity..but we don't generally go anywhere much.

Generally we only buy gifts for each other that will be really useful..he likes to buy me garden things..and I generally buy him fishing licenses, or tools that make his life easier..

We don't do fancy stuff like jewelry, mp3 players, etc..and we generally wait for a movie to come on t v rather than renting or going to see it.

occasionally i might go to www.secondharvestgleaners to get food..when we really feel we need some extra..but I haven't done that for a while..we just have enough.

in the past when things were so difficult to where we had less than $3000 a year to live on..we were given gift baskets of food by churches a couple of times..which was really nice of them..

I don't make long distance calls..even though they are free evenings and weekends on the cell phone..i just don't get in the habit..don't even use the cell phone for calls..just as a modem..so i don't tend to use minutes..as we share with Joel.

I refuse to go to a dr unless i really am in a lot of pain..and I stopped taking all medicine..Ron gets his meds through the VA as he is a veteran.

if you are a vet and are NOT using your va benefits..you really should do so.

we don't have an air conditioner....so we have no cooling costs.

we built an enclosed front porch with plexiglass and a glass door..that saves on our heat bill enormously..and we built an enclosure over our back entry..a huge back shade porch with glassed in ..that saves on cooling and heating costs..

25 years ago i bought a 6 x8 greenhouse for $1000 and it has supplied us with our peppers and tomatos ever since.

i have planted trees all around the house for shade..and windbreaks to keep the west and north winds from buffeting the home in the winter.

i'm sure there are all kinds of other things that we do to save money..but it all comes so natural after 38 years of marriage this August and 24 years of Ron's head injury (only on disability 3)..that I'm probalby doing things naturally that most people wouldn't even think of..but i'd be glad to answer questions..

we do freeze, can, dry and pickle foods..but we also eat fairly simple.

I think one of our main $ savers is ..we just entertain ourselves at home an try to combine things into one trip..rather than a lot of running here and there.
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Old 06/15/09, 03:55 PM
 
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Thanks for sharing your story, Rombre. I do the same as you in that I combine errands into one trip usually when I am going for a dr's appointment. DH and I also downsized to one vehicle last year when the doc said I would be unable to return to work fulltime. I can, pickle, freeze, and make jams and jellies and our breads, sweets, and pizzas. I buy loss leaders at the grocery store and order wheat berries and bread baking supplies from a co-op that specializes in those items. It is beginning to become second nature to me as well to shop this way and it does save a substantial amount of money.
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Old 06/15/09, 04:03 PM
 
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I really appreciate such an in-depth response to my request. I too am a Veteran and am getting ready to retire from the Army and my wife and I would like to be able to buy some property and live on just my retirement and investments until her full retirement hits when she turns 60 (I plan to get a job but dont want to rely on that income). Compared to so many I have read about on HT we will have a pretty good income for our plans as we have no debt and will be able to pay cash for a place if we decide to do that but there is a psychological component to having your income reduce by about 80%

You and your family sound very resourceful and I have gotten several ideas from your post; again thank you very much.
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Old 06/15/09, 04:20 PM
 
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One thing that came across in your post, ronbre, is how positive you are. Not only is that a pleasure to read and an inspiration to me, but I am sure your attitiude has sustained you through many downtimes.

Congratulations on your upcoming anniversary. That many years is something I don't hear enough of.

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Old 06/15/09, 04:22 PM
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I wish you would copy and past your post to the Tightwad Tips thread on the family board. They are all archived at the end of the month and I know hundreds of people read those threads.
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Old 06/15/09, 10:25 PM
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Great ideas! In the last few years, we started seeking out coupons (both online and off) for needed grocery items and used them during sales and our food bill has dropped considerably. Nice when you can actually walk away from the grocery store and have several $0.00 items on your receipt.
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Old 06/16/09, 01:58 PM
Brenda Groth
 
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great responses..as wtih the oven thing..i also grill a lot of food at one time in the summer..and put the leftovers in the frig for meals for the next several days..even with just the two of us the top of the grill is generally full..why waste all that cooking space..like you with the oven..sometimes i'll get the mixer going and want to cook up 3 or 4 recipes so i can use the oven for 3 or 4 things while it is hot to make use of the heat..am thinking of trying the slow cooker outside this summer..maybe?? Another good idea is to take all your parings and clean scraps and put them into a container in the freezer..and pop it out and into water and boil for soup stock..and then throw in all the leftovers from the frig (not pie) for soup..

I do also tend to buy a lot of garden things..when they are on sale like this time of year..i just bought 4 blueberry plants..with blueberries on one ! for $5 each at the store..they were humongous !! they won't bear a full crop until next year..but next year we'll be enjoying blueberries from them..

I believe if you have room..you should garden as much as you can..
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Old 06/16/09, 07:57 PM
Brenda Groth
 
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we are starting towards moving into the forest..this spring I put in nut trees..very small ones..mostly seedlings and 1 year olds..

we are going to be spreading new soil out over the peaty boggy soil that is in our woods..the original soil will stay underneath with all the fallen logs and forest duff..but bottom of the pond scrapings and lots of topsoil that was give to us..is going into this mess as well as sand and clay and fill..

once that has been spread out..we will be pushing our food and ornamental crops farther into the woods..My thoughts have been leaning toward what i can plant there next year..i'm thinking understory trees, maybe dwarf fruit trees, mulberries,etc..maybe a corner with raspberries (as there are wild ones there..we'd just have to tame them some)..or blackberries..i'd like to plant some perennial food crops..maybe grapes and kiwi vines up some trees or some shrubs of hazelnut or possibly some rhubarb ...but i am also thinking that the soil will be so good i might try a few things like putting in some squash and pumpkins and things like that back there once the soil is ready for it..probably next spring..if we work it out this year.

i'm going to be spending some time studying at length what would be best to grow in this area..but i know understory and hardwood trees will go in to replace some of the aspens..
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