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Old 05/13/09, 01:03 PM
 
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Similiar acreage question asked a while back in regards to owner

finance. Does anyone here know the difference between Owner Financing raw land vs. lease purchasing land? Lets say for whatever reason you cant go the conventional method of buying land but there is acreage availble through either of these means. What is the difference and have you personally done this. Also, the original owner still has a mortgage on the land.

Any thoughts please.
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Old 05/13/09, 02:26 PM
 
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If the original owner has a mortgage then he can not carry a contract/owner financing unless the down was enough to pay the mortgage off.

He could technically lease the land, but again not as a lease purchase.

Either of these done illegally (ie by signing a contact draw up between you two) would put you at risk of loosing your entire investment of the original owner were to default on his loan.

Beware of land contacts as well. you pay but the land is still in the original owners name.
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Old 05/13/09, 03:52 PM
 
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most mortgages have a due on sale clause that requires the mortgage be paid off when the property is sold. This situation can be done, but you need the approval of the lender and if the seller ever defaults on the loan you lose the property too. I would not do it.
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Old 05/14/09, 11:21 AM
 
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Generally a lease purchase is a lease, with a locked in price of sale, and an additional payment that goes towards that purchase price. It's useful if someone wants to buy the land, but can't afford the down payment on it. It is good for the buyer because it usually locks in the price of the land. It's good for the seller, because he gets extra money each month (the buyer's money for the down). The down side is if you don't exercise the purchase option, you generally lose your down payment money.

If the seller doesn't own the land out right, I'm not sure they can do a lease purchase agreement or not - talk to a realestate lawyer. But, you can accomplish the same thing do the same thing in another way.

First, you leas the property for the amount of time it will take you to save up the down. Second, you execute a written sales contract to sell at a specified price at a specified time. Generally you will have to give the seller some ernest money to secure this. Then, you put the money for the down into your own bank account until it comes time to buy the land. Again, talk to a realestate lawyer about how to set this up.
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Old 05/14/09, 12:36 PM
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Iam sure the laws will vary on this from state to state. In Kentucky we do a lot of owner finance using a variety of methods. Contract for deed, lease with option to purchase, deed with mortgage are the ones I am most familiar with. I have both bought and sold property here using the various methods and never had a problem.

The deed with mortgage is prolly your best way to go as a buyer, it does strengthen your case a little bit if something goes awry and you end up in court later down the road. Its difficult to get a seller to go along with this as it drastically increases his risk factors and can be a real pain in the backside to recover the property in event of default. Another issue I have with deed with mortgage in this state is the double taxation thing. Once the buyer files his deed, he begins to pay the property tax, thats fine, but then the seller gets taxed the same amount for holding the mortgage! (The mortgage becomes an asset and is taxed accordingly)

Contract for deed would be your next best but again, most sellers dont like it for the same reason they wont sign over the deed to someone who "promises" to pay. Its amazing how many well intentioned folks dont keep their word.

Lease with option to purchase. This one is the one I use most often. Its fair to both parties and creates the least hassle for me if someone flys the coop in the middle of the night. (happens all the time) You are essentially renting/leasing the property, with no legal rights beyond possession/use of said property during the lease period and even then only if you keep your rent paid and follow all the other terms of the lease. If you suddenly dissappear, I have the right to reenter the premises, clean up the mess, and get on with my life without having to go to a lot of expense and losing months waiting to get the case in front of the judge. On your side of the coin, you have all the rights of use and possession of the property, the option to purchase clauses set the purchase price, and the specifics of the deal so you are legally protected as well, as long as you hold up your end.

Normally my lease options call for a set monthly rent, with a 60 day default clause. This enables the buyers to ride my credit line for a couple months without losing their property for late payments. (hey, I have broken a leg, and was out of work, a lil safe zone is not a bad thing) The option clause spells out the terms of purchase if/when someone exercizes their option to purchase. At that point, all the rent that has been paid is counted as amortized payments just as though they had been purchasing on a contract for deed basis. They pay me the calculated balance due, I use part of that money to pay off my note at the bank, I give the new owner a general warranty deed, they have it recorded at the country court clerks office and then I take whatever money I have left, head for the liquor store and tobacco shop and stock up on the essentials. life is good.
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Old 05/14/09, 12:51 PM
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Generally a lease purchase is a lease, with a locked in price of sale, and an additional payment that goes towards that purchase price. It's useful if someone wants to buy the land, but can't afford the down payment on it. It is good for the buyer because it usually locks in the price of the land. It's good for the seller, because he gets extra money each month (the buyer's money for the down). The down side is if you don't exercise the purchase option, you generally lose your down payment money.
Yep, down payment money I keep, that helps reimburse me for the costs incurred and downtime required to sell it to someone who will do what they promise to do. I do my best to make sure the buyer is aware of all the details involved with a deal prior to accepting the money, but once the bargain has been struck, all parties agreed then I expect to be compensated somewhat if someone backs out. I have become somewhat mean in my old age I guess, but I get weary of trying to do people favors and have them stab me in the back for my trouble.
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Old 05/14/09, 02:18 PM
 
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Thanks everyone excellent information very helpful. I really enjoy coming to this board because it is always such a great source of personal experience and knowledge.

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