Deep Well Hand Pump?

[wvstuck]

I am looking to put a deep well hand pump on my well, something than can be installed along side my electric well pump. I am currently considering a well pump from Bison for the quality, it will cost me about $1500 by the time I put it in and pump water with it.

Does anyone else know of a high quality deep well hand pump (roughly 100') that is affordable and you have tested or used yourself. Looking for recommendations of tried and tested well pumps.

What I am looking at is pictured here:
http://www.bisonpumps.com/prices-hand-water-pumps.htm

[HilltopDaisy]

I'm interested in this, too. I hope you get some responses.

[VonWolfen]

I got mine from Baker Manufacturing. It is about 100' and has worked well for 4 years. I have a motor and a pump jack on it for pumping into a holding tank. It works well by hand or with motor and the company has been around a long time and were excellent to deal with. It is not any cheaper, about $1500 for the pump, cylinder, foot valve and correct mount plate. I do recommend that you safety wire your draw pipes together so they don't work apart.

[artificer]

Take a look at this thread: Deep Well Hand Pump

Question for Cabin Fever, since he mentioned having a 200' well: Can you add a counterweight to the pump to overcome the weight of the water in the pipe?

Michael

[Cabin Fever]

My pump is made by Baker Monitor (http://www.bakermonitor.com/domestic...nds/index.html)

Deep water hand pumps will work to a depth of 200 feet, but ours is no wheres near that deep.

I've never heard of using a counterweight.

[BTO]

Check out this site. I bought one and installed it on my artesian well. It was well worth the money. Around $1200. My well is 300' and my hand pump is down 75'. My electric pump is at 150'

http://www.bisonpumps.com/

[haypoint]

My son found a place that carries all the parts for wind mill water pumps. Included in their catalog is an electric submersable pump that works with a hand pump. When I went from a water pump in the basement to a submersable pump, I had to get rid of the hand pump that was mounted on the top of the well. If I'd known this existed, I could have kept it. If anyone is interested, I'll see what is the name of the company.
He was looking for some odd sized pump leathers and they stock a wide variety.

[ovsfarm]

I'm looking for one also. I hope to have enough saved up to get it by mid summer. $1500 is the same price I've found.

[jim/se kansas]

Google Simple Pump.

[artificer]

Originally Posted by Cabin Fever

My pump is made by Baker Monitor (http://www.bakermonitor.com/domestic...nds/index.html)

Deep water hand pumps will work to a depth of 200 feet, but ours is no wheres near that deep.

I've never heard of using a counterweight.

Just the engineer in me coming out. I was thinking that 200' of 3/4" pipe would have about 40lbs of water in it. Add the sucker rod, and you'll probably hit 50lbs at least. Once you get the pump primed, you have to lift that each stroke. If you add a counterweight to the handle, would it balance it out, so you only have the pumping force of a shallow well?

If the pump looses its prime after each use, I would probably use half the weight. Push up on the handle until its primed/filled pipe, then half as hard for the remaining water.

Just wondering...

Michael

[Cabin Fever]

The well never looses its "prime" because the pump is at the bottom of the well (in the groundwater). If you use a foot valve, the delievery pipe should always be full of water to the surface. I did drill a 1/8" hole in the delivery pipe to allow the water to drain out to an elevation about 5 feet below the surface of the ground so the water standing in the pipe will not freeze during the winter.

Since you're engineer, figure this out. If the delivery pipe is always full of standing water, are you actually lifting the entire column of water with each stroke of the pump or just the volume of water pumped by each stroke (which is usually less than 1/2 gallon)? And while you're doing your engineer computations, remember to figure in the mechanical advantage of the 3-foot pump handle.

[artificer]

Originally Posted by Cabin Fever

The well never looses its "prime" because the pump is at the bottom of the well (in the groundwater). If you use a foot valve, the delievery pipe should always be full of water to the surface. I did drill a 1/8" hole in the delivery pipe to allow the water to drain out to an elevation about 5 feet below the surface of the ground so the water standing in the pipe will not freeze during the winter.

Since you're engineer, figure this out. If the delivery pipe is always full of standing water, are you actually lifting the entire column of water with each stroke of the pump or just the volume of water pumped by each stroke (which is usually less than 1/2 gallon)? And while you're doing your engineer computations, remember to figure in the mechanical advantage of the 3-foot pump handle.

I miss-typed "prime". I meant "the pump and stand pipe are full of water up to the weep hole."

So, using a Baker Monitor pump as an example, and their installation instruction:
For a 200 foot well, using the 1 1/4" stand pipe, 7/16" sucker rod you would have 14 gallons of water, or about 117lbs. The sucker rod would weigh 101 lbs as well, for a total of 218lbs hanging off of the pump handle.

When you pump the handle, the entire column of water moves, but only enough to displace the pump volume, so 53" of vertical lift for 3" cylinder w/10" stroke. The entire weight of the water column and sucker rod are on the piston face, resisting the lifting force. Using the picture on the first page, i measured about a 5.5:1 mechanical advantage. That means the 218lbs of standing column/rod would take about 40lbs of force to lift/pump.

The purpose of the questions was just wondering if anyone has hung a weight (35-40lbs in this case) from the handle to make pumping easier.

If you give me the specs on your pump, I can calculate them, and you can tell me if I'm close or not.

standpipe diameter
sucker rod diamerter (solid/pipe)
length of standpipe
depth to water surface
ratio of handle or distances from pin to pin and pin to end of handle

Michael

[Cabin Fever]

I'm impressed! Good job! I"m not sure if a counter weight would help all that much in that you'd have to lift the weight on the upstroke. That is, the weight of the water column doesnt seem to help "lift" the handle. Of course, our water column is no more than 25 feet.

[artificer]

ARRGGGggg!!! I thought I must be missing something. Its the foot/check valve.

While you are pumping, you're lifting against the water column and sucker rod. After the water stops moving at the top of the stroke, its held up by the foot/check valve. Kinda like the old ratchet bumper jacks. No or little force on the piston on the upstroke.

So... the max help you would get would be to counter the sucker rod weight, since its directly connected to the piston. For the 200' well with 101lbs, you would use 18.4lbs. Not much, but it brings the pumping force down by almost half.

Michael

[Nevada]

Originally Posted by wvstuck

I am looking to put a deep well hand pump on my well, something than can be installed along side my electric well pump. I am currently considering a well pump from Bison for the quality, it will cost me about $1500 by the time I put it in and pump water with it.

Does anyone else know of a high quality deep well hand pump (roughly 100') that is affordable and you have tested or used yourself. Looking for recommendations of tried and tested well pumps.

What I am looking at is pictured here:
http://www.bisonpumps.com/prices-hand-water-pumps.htm

What is the purpose of wanting a hand pump?

Is your primary concern extended power outages?

How important is economy?

How much water would you need to produce with the hand pump?

How often do you anticipate needing to use the hand pump?