Another hunting season is upon us...

[RedTartan]

This is a public service announcement

Please be careful this year. Know what you're shooting at. There is no such season as "movement" season or "something brown" season. If you cannot see the animal clearly, do not take the shot.

The last couple of years there have been some really senseless deaths. I remember the grandfather that shot his grandson (saw something brown) during deer season and the father that shot his 10yo son (movement) while turkey hunting.

Let's try not to lose anyone this year.

RedTartan

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[Modern Pioneer]

Goes without saying, for those in the know. Theres always the "summer" people or "city" people that dont have a clue. I live in a resort type area that is state land inside of federal land. We get all types of goofballs, yahoos down here. Most of which dont know which end is up..lol
I usually kill all my deer before shorgun season rolls around, so i dont need to be in the woods with the idiots who know it all. Actually i even pull my traps first week december. That way i dont even have too deal with the lame brains. I even made a hunter orange vest for my english mastif. She is fawn colored and i am kinda worried bout her. I will make sure she stays very close. I might even make one for my chihuahua Like i said "summer" people afre dumb!

Keep your powder dry

[Danaus29]

And whatever you do, DON'T shoot at that flash of white behind the bushes! No joke, one hunter died just down the road from us just because he took a crap in the woods.

[Pops2]

i'd like to take this moment to point out no one has ever accidentally killed another hunter when using sighthounds & a knife (which is only legal in the south).

[Terri]

My Grandfather used to say "If something happens with your gun, it is ALWAYS your fault! If somebody trips over it, it is because you did not have control of your gun. If you shoot something that you did not see clearly, it is your fault for being careless. "

All of his sons hunted while growing up, and there was never an accident for any of them.....

[highlands]

Sadly, virtually every year one or more people are killed by hunters in our state. Often it's another hunter but recently it was a farmer sitting on his tractor, a man sitting in his living room, a berry picker, etc. A hunter who came up from MA just got off with a mere one year prison term for killing the berry picker. The one who killed the farmer only got a couple of years. They never found the one who killed the guy in his living room - a stray bullet came in through the wall during hunting season. Those are just some recent examples none of which include all the hunters who were shot by each other.

We need more protection for us non-hunters against the random murders done by hunters. It is murder - they must be held responsible for where their bullets goe. I don't care that it's hunting season, I still must work outdoors, do my farm chores, check my animals in the fields, logging must continue, etc. I live and work here. I can't just leave for four months of the year because they want to play with guns in the woods. Yes, our land is posted so nobody should be hunting without our permission within thousands of feet of our house. Yet they still do, often shooting from their vehicles which is illegal.

All this hunting with guns, arrows and other remote weapons isn't real sport. Real Sportsmen use a knife or bare hands to go after polar bears - that's where the true challenge lies. If you don't have polar bears locally, you can substitute grizzly bears, black bears or buck dear in rut but stick with the knife or bare hands. (Background for those who don't know: polar bears are known to hunt the hunter...)

[alleyyooper]

The local news paper came yesterday.
Head lines Local 34 year old hunter dies in hunting accident.

He didn't return home Saturday night form hunting, Family and friends searched for him all night and called the sherrif in the morning. The search continued nearly all day Sunday. The hunter was found Sunday evening by fellow hunters who had went north to hunt for the week end.

There was a stand in a near by tree about 30' up. There was no saftey harness on the hunter nor was there one in the tree near the stand.

He had died from enternal bleeding the sherrif told reporters although no atopsy had been preformed yet. He had several broken ribs and both legs were broke.

The sherrif stressed that if you are goig to hunt from a tree stand invest in a safty harness. Remember that it only happens to the other guy you thing is in the mind of some one else also so that other guy can be you.

Al

[LFmenagerie]

Hey highlands, what you're suggesting is that you want all gun and bow hunters to do is commit suicide. You want two thirds or more of all the people who freqent this forum dead. I agree that when people are careless with guns, that the consequences should be severe, but hunting bears and deer with a knife or bare hands is just ridiculous.
Tom

[Pops2]

i'm not sure but Highlands may have been taking a jab at me.
regardless, i hunt deer w/a knife. it's not ridiculous it's very exciting and w/ correct technique the kill is faster (more humane) than most shooting. i also hunt boar this way and bear w/a spear. this is only possible because i use dogs. the use of dogs for deer is only legal in about 1/4 the states. this technique predates firearms by several THOUSAND years and is 100% safe in terms of accidentally killing another person (that is to my knowledge no one standing over a cught deer has ever accidentally stabbed to death a farmer on his tractor 600M away or a guy crapping in the bushes 50M away). there is still plenty of opportunity for darwinism to work.
this method also allows the hunter to be more efficient in contributing to the health of the herd as the easiest catches are the very young, very old & the unhealthy (although w/ good dogs strong healthy specimens can be taken). it also allows for an upclose inspection of the animal before harvesting so that a hunter can ensure they are not harvesting a reproducing female for those species whose harvest needs to be regulated in order to maintain stability or growth in the overall population. most deer shooters have a period in the season where their thought process is "if it's brown it's down." they are trying to take the genetically strongest at the peak of their breeding life, this mean those w/ inferior genetics are breeding a disproportionate amount compared to my method or no human involvement.

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by highlands

All this hunting with guns, arrows and other remote weapons isn't real sport. Real Sportsmen use a knife or bare hands to go after polar bears

I agree that hunters should be careful and they should be accountable for their bullets.

But, not all hunters do it for sport. Some of us hunt to put meat on the table and we do it carefully and responsibly. Don't condemn all hunters because of the actions of a few idiots. That would be like saying that all drivers are murderers because a few idiot drivers cause accidents and hurt innocent people.

Having said that, I am still thankful that we are able to live and hunt on our own property in an area where we do not have stranger/idiots hunting nearby.

[Danaus29]

Hunters responsible for "accidental" hunting deaths are not held accountable in Ohio. It really makes me mad that a so-called hunter can shoot across a road (totally illegal) killing a person instead of the deer and get off scott-free. People like that should NEVER be allowed to get a hunting license and IMO they should also be denied a ccw permit. Yet the shooters never loose a license, at least from what I have read.

highlands, I had to double-check your state. Ohio had those kind of hunting deaths last year too.

[radiofish]

What about those hunters, that take deer by using a vehicle. I guess that those deer had a death wish, and comitted suicide by jumping in front of a vehicle.... One of my neighbors recently got a deer with his big steel bumper on his gas guzzling 4X4 truck...

I occasionally hunt, and it is to supplimnent the food supply. So I guess that someone way across on the other side of the country, can tell me what to do on my property?? They can define what is and what isn't a Sportsman/ Sportswoman, by the methods used to kill the animal????? In the past, I have offed nusance pests with a wristrocket slingshot. Is that gonna be allowed under those proposed arbitrary rules???

Sorry to disappoint you, but if I feel the need I am gonna grab a rifle chambered .30-06 Springfield or a 12 gauge shotgun! I am well aware of what is downrange, what my backstop is, and what I am firing at - at all times! To probally even scare you more, I even carry a large caliber CCW concealed weapon 90+% of the time, out in public!

Of course there are some folks, that I refuse to be near when they have a firearm!!!!
Hey this Marine Corps veteran is smart enough to know which end of the weapon that the bullet comes out of! And has a sense of self-preservation!! There is no such thing as an "accident" while in possession of a firearm, it is to be called a negligent discharge!! At the very least! I have had someone stupidly discharge a weapon near my foot at the shooting range, spraying me with gravel.. Now they wonder why I won't visit, or even go hunting with them again.

Pops2 - Does having a bayonet on my rifle count??? Yeah I know that Marines like to stick things with sharp objects... I am also wondering if you use an USMC KA-BAR combat knife while out stalking deer????

[tiffnzacsmom]

Growing up we were all taught that guns were tools and never to point it at something that we didn't want to kill, even toy guns, and to make sure of your target and what is behind the target. A friend of mine didn't understand why I got so mad at a guy who killed someone that was out of his sight line, if he couldn't see where the bullet was going he shouldn't have discharged his weapon end of story. My uncle teaches Hunter Safety for the Commonwealth my kids got lessons today just sitting in the living room with us.

[highlands]

Originally Posted by Elizabeth

But, not all hunters do it for sport. Some of us hunt to put meat

I was specifically referring to those who do it for sport and I was referring to them with great sarcasm. You misunderstand me, I don't have anything against guns, I have my own. I have a lot against idiots. Idiots with guns, cars, A-bombs are all bad combinations.

[EDDIE BUCK]

Originally Posted by Danaus29

Hunters responsible for "accidental" hunting deaths are not held accountable in Ohio. It really makes me mad that a so-called hunter can shoot across a road (totally illegal) killing a person instead of the deer and get off scott-free. People like that should NEVER be allowed to get a hunting license and IMO they should also be denied a ccw permit. Yet the shooters never loose a license, at least from what I have read.

highlands, I had to double-check your state. Ohio had those kind of hunting deaths last year too.

I agree,and a trial lawyer will make them all "true accidents"every time, but the problem is there are "true accidents" then there are "careless accidents". The "true accidents", are almost all unavoidable, but few in number. The "careless accidents"which are almost all the hunting accidents, are ALL AVOIDABLE but only by the one or ones being careless and thats like letting the drunk drivers try to figure a way to stop drunk driving accidents with out stopping drunk driving,it aint gonna happen. About all we can do is not hunt around folks that we dont know or if we do know them,are they safe with a gun. If not,I ain't hunting with them. Might make them mad, they can get over it. You can't get over being dead. Eddie

[Pops2]

while i don't care for deer shooting, i would never in a million years attempt to ban it. heck i even do it when i NEED to fill the freezer. unfortunately the SPORTS w/ their rifles & $300< treestands & lifelike decoys are the first ones to throw dog hunters under the bus.

bayonet sounds fair to me. funny thing my pig/deer sticker is a presentation K-bar (anodized brass guard & butt cap) the wife gave me for a B-day present many years ago. my backup/guest stickers are DRMOed bayonets (one new k-bar style, green handle USAF DRMO and two older style dagger types, i can't remember the M# for right now).

[DixyDoodle]

It's bow hunting here right now, guns not allowed til November. I have a question for any bow hunters out there....just what is the average range with bow hunting?

I'll take hikes out in our back woods if it's just bow hunting, wearing bright clothes and making noise, but not during gun season. What do you think, is it fairly safe to do that? I always assumed that with bow hunting, you would have to be quite a bit closer, and thereby recognize what you are aiming at, but.........maybe I should be staying the heck outta there?

I also get creeped out come hunting season. I have a dun (light reddish brown) coloured quarter horse mare in a 15 acre field. I can't put her in the dirt paddock for 2 weeks, she's a retired gaming pony and would freak, and the only grazing is in the field! I tried doing the "bright halter" thing, but they lose them and I worry about them getting caught on things (there are NO bright coloured breakaway halters around here). I always pray no one mistakes her for a deer.....at least the field is open, she's not hidden in trees, but there's no accounting for the stupidity of some people with guns just looking for something to shoot at.

We've had a few accidents around here. A man getting shot by another hunter from another crew. A guy getting his leg shot by his buddy who was jacklighting (and get this: the guy that was shot tried to sue the car company because the truck was an "accessory"! LOL). A lady having the window blown out of her kitchen window from a stray shot.

It's mostly quiet around here though. Regulations are getting tighter and hunting isn't cheap anymore. There seems to be less and less people hunting these days.

[Modern Pioneer]

Cant hunt with dogs,knives,or spears here in the Buckeye state. Well you can spear or gig frogs I always considered the bow a very ancient weapon, Im talking about wooden long bows. Not this high tech alloy bows of today. To be a complete hunter one has to have the mindset and the ability to attune himself with warrior/preadator instinct that we all posses. That and with a firm knowlege of the land he hunts.I feel, and i might be in the minority on this one, but i never hunted or will i ever hunt for the "sport" of it. I for one am not a sportsman, in any sense of the word. I dont even consider myself an "outdoorsmen", no im a woodsman. I try to be a steward of and with the land. I only take what i need and use all that i take.

Keep your powder dry

[Pops2]

Modern Pioneer

Thanks, i needed a good laugh.