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Ford is Really Dumb .....65 MPG !
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine...99060491065.ht
...............Mercedes , Honda , VW , and Toyata are all introducing Diesel powered , small , fuel efficient cars between now and 2010 .......except Ford . Makes me want to change my front name , lol! , fordy 
...............Well , the URL doesn't seem to work , but basically Ford has decided too not import their Diesel powered fiesta that gets 65 mpg . Seems rather shortsided to me . , fordy
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09/08/08, 03:46 PM
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Probably can't get it to pass E.P.A. emissions tests or safety requirements.
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when we bought our jetta diesel in 2006, we researched the diesel thing with great interest...as to WHY there were so few, and WHY VW wasn't going to have any for the next year. Diesel emission standards are WAY beyond what any other country has in place. Making the cars conform to the US standards makes them so 1)expensive and 2) drops the mileage by 30% or more...so they're just not competitive. VW has been working on some ideas, as have a few other companies. Unfortunately, the US has decided to buck the world trend of using diesel and the government wants to concentrate on hybrids and ethanol.
Personally, I think it's nuts. Diesel engines were originally desined to work on veggie oil. No changes are needed to run a diesel on veggie oil during warm months. Once it hits late fall, you need to warm the oil so it's fluid enough....and once you get the vehicle running and the engine warm, you don't even have to do THAT. You do have to be careful of the oil gelling in the engine when it cools down. (that's where the dual tanks work...start and stop using diesel fuel, in the middle you run on oil)
okay. I'll get down off my soap box now.
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09/08/08, 04:09 PM
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The Ford Fiesta of about 15 years ago got close to 50 mpg with a gasoline engine.
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09/08/08, 05:08 PM
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One the other hand----isn't Ford getting ready to do away with the Ranger pickup in favor of a smaller import? Also changing the F150 considerably, perhaps with a downsizing?
There may be a madness to their short sightedness, or there may be wisdom.
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09/08/08, 05:35 PM
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What was the Small Ford Pickup named? Chevy had the Luv, what was Fords answer to that small nearly 1/4 ton pickup?
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09/08/08, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Windy in Kansas
One the other hand----isn't Ford getting ready to do away with the Ranger pickup in favor of a smaller import? Also changing the F150 considerably, perhaps with a downsizing?
There may be a madness to their short sightedness, or there may be wisdom.
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...............Ford claims in the article that the engine is made in Britian and assemply costs are too high , next , to build a factory in mexico they'd have to build 350,000 engines ( for breakeven ) which exceeds their projected US sales volume since the retail prices would be around 25k !
...............I know nothing about their small pickup . If , they had any sense they put the small diesel in their small truck as well . I'm quite sure the combines sales volume would exceed 350,000 vehicles . The F150 is slated too receive a new , 4.4 liter v6\v8 diesel for '09 sometime or maybe 2010 .
...............Cummins is producing the 6.7 liter I6 for Dodge trucks that ALready meets 2010 emission standards so what is Fords problem relative too the new Blue tec , clean diesel technology . And , Ford is currently developing , INhouse , their new Scorpion V8 diesel for their F250 thru F550 range of trucks . This engine will be 390 HP and 700+ ft. lbs. of torque , and supposedly get 3 mpg more than the current 6.4 liter engine . There is really no need for such high HP and Torques numbers given the cost of diesel but Ford feels differentially . , fordy 
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09/08/08, 06:01 PM
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Courier, made by Mazda
The F150 may get a big change heard rumors they are going to try and put a turbo'd 4 cylinder in it.
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Courier, made by Mazda
The F150 may get a big change heard rumors they are going to try and put a turbo'd 4 cylinder in it.
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The ranger and Mazda b2200 are the same to. My dad had a 74 courier it was a good truck but they had head problems.
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09/09/08, 10:13 AM
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The early small Ranger in 80s did offer a diesel, cant remember if it was Mazda or Mitsubishi diesel. Like most vehicles with a diesel option, it was so pricey that you had to drive it a LOT of miles to pay for the privalege of getting the high mpg. Also dont think it was turbo so probably guy on bicycle could out accelerate it.
Yea, EPA really has a thing against diesels. Shame as veggie oil in a diesel sure lot more practical and cost efficient than corn ethanol in a gas engine. Veggie oil burns pretty clean also, lot cleaner than diesel fuel.
Just read article last night that due to slow sales of full size truck Ford is going to put current Ranger on life support for couple more years. Guess current 4cyl 5spd Ranger gets around 30mpg. Early 4cyl Rangers only got around 25mpg.
They were going to go Rangerless and offer a F100, basically a lightened F150 like it was before small Ranger existed for next couple years. Then in 2011 or so offer a new version of Ranger sold around the world. No idea if its going to be assembled in USA or elsewhere, article said they kept changing during planning stage as economics fluxuated.
By way Ranger is ONLY small pickup sold in the USA. If you noticed all the other manufacturers selling in USA including foreign ones have bloated the size of their small trucks. None of them are truly small anymore and few offer a 4cyl, most all are V6. And dont know if its just me but other than Ranger I am not noticing any small pickups with a standard cab. All seem to be extended cab or even 4door versions. Apparently nobody wants just a plain jane pickup anymore.
You'd think with the gas and all, some smart manufacturer would come out with pickup made from small car like VW used to have. I need a vehicle with ground clearance, but for some townie such a vehicle might be useful and should get well up into the 30s fuel mileage.
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09/09/08, 10:21 AM
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The early small Ranger in 80s did offer a diesel, cant remember if it was Mazda or Mitsubishi diesel. Like most vehicles with a diesel option, it was so pricey that you had to drive it a LOT of miles to pay for the privalege of getting the high mpg. Also dont think it was turbo so probably guy on bicycle could out accelerate it.
Yea, EPA really has a thing against diesels. Shame as veggie oil in a diesel sure lot more practical and cost efficient than corn ethanol in a gas engine. Veggie oil burns pretty clean also, lot cleaner than diesel fuel.
Just read article last night that due to slow sales of full size truck Ford is going to put current Ranger on life support for couple more years. Guess current 4cyl 5spd Ranger gets around 30mpg. Early 4cyl Rangers only got around 25mpg.
They were going to go Rangerless and offer a F100, basically a lightened F150 like it was before small Ranger existed for next couple years. Then in 2011 or so offer a new version of Ranger sold around the world. No idea if its going to be assembled in USA or elsewhere, article said they kept changing during planning stage as economics fluxuated.
By way Ranger is ONLY small pickup sold in the USA. If you noticed all the other manufacturers selling in USA including foreign ones have bloated the size of their small trucks. None of them are truly small anymore and few offer a 4cyl, most all are V6. And dont know if its just me but other than Ranger I am not noticing any small pickups with a standard cab. All seem to be extended cab or even 4door versions. Apparently nobody wants just a plain jane pickup anymore.
You'd think with the gas and all, some smart manufacturer would come out with pickup made from small car like VW used to have. I need a vehicle with ground clearance, but for some townie such a vehicle might be useful and should get well up into the 30s fuel mileage.
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I don't think there's a ranger that gets 30mpg if so everyone would be driving one. People i know with 4 cyl rangers get about 20 mpg.
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09/09/08, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Windy in Kansas
One the other hand----isn't Ford getting ready to do away with the Ranger pickup in favor of a smaller import? Also changing the F150 considerably, perhaps with a downsizing?
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As per a client of mine who works on the line building F150s, Ford is planning to start making the F100 again.
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09/09/08, 11:06 AM
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I don't think there's a ranger that gets 30mpg if so everyone would be driving one. People i know with 4 cyl rangers get about 20 mpg.
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There is a 2wd regular cab version that was rated at 29mpg highway (until they changed the way they test this year). Friend has one and he averages about 25mpg. He can get about 30 on the highway if he keeps it under 60. My 4wd 6cyl extend cab ranger averages about 19mpg.
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09/09/08, 11:49 AM
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Quote:
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By way Ranger is ONLY small pickup sold in the USA. If you noticed all the other manufacturers selling in USA including foreign ones have bloated the size of their small trucks. None of them are truly small anymore and few offer a 4cyl, most all are V6.
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I was hoping to find a small pickup to replace my 1998 Chevy S-10 when it finally bites the dust. It's got 160,000 miles on it. I treat it withl kid gloves hoping to get another 40-50 thousand miles out of it. I drive it 75 miles a day and it consistently gets 30 mpg. That's the part I like best!
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09/09/08, 12:00 PM
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Not only does a 4 cylinder Ranger realistically get about 20mpg, but my 6 cylinder full-size extended cab Silverado gets the SAME mpg (it averages around 21), with a lot more oomph, a full sized bed, and a back seat.
Just sayin'.
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09/09/08, 01:10 PM
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"And dont know if its just me but other than Ranger I am not noticing any small pickups with a standard cab. All seem to be extended cab or even 4door versions. Apparently nobody wants just a plain jane pickup anymore."
I have an 84 Ranger standard and an 86 extended cab. That extra room behind the seat is SOOOOOOOOOOO much nicer.
"You'd think with the gas and all, some smart manufacturer would come out with pickup made from small car like VW used to have. I need a vehicle with ground clearance, but for some townie such a vehicle might be useful and should get well up into the 30s fuel mileage."
In 80s VW diesel got around 45 mpg. The pickup was an honest to God pickup, not a modified car. I have a friend in IN buying all of these 80s VW diesels he can find.
I don't know if emmision controls are Ford's problem. If so, I would certainly support a waiver.
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09/09/08, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by HermitJohn
You'd think with the gas and all, some smart manufacturer would come out with pickup made from small car like VW used to have. I need a vehicle with ground clearance, but for some townie such a vehicle might be useful and should get well up into the 30s fuel mileage.
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The sad part is that most of the big builders already have these vehicles in their line-ups. I was working in central Mexico a few years back. I saw new Ford, Chevy and VW light duty pick-ups. All front wheel drive, unibody (not only unibody frame, but one piece cab and box) and car based. The morons in detroit work at destroying the domestic industry building the wrong products at the wrong times. Meanwhile they have divisions throughout South America, Europe, Australia and Asia building interesting, efficient, practical solutions to the problems we currently face. I have no sympathy for these clowns.
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The sad part is that most of the big builders already have these vehicles in their line-ups. I was working in central Mexico a few years back. I saw new Ford, Chevy and VW light duty pick-ups. All front wheel drive, unibody (not only unibody frame, but one piece cab and box) and car based. The morons in detroit work at destroying the domestic industry building the wrong products at the wrong times. Meanwhile they have divisions throughout South America, Europe, Australia and Asia building interesting, efficient, practical solutions to the problems we currently face. I have no sympathy for these clowns.
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They build what 90 % of the people want, people here don't want them trucks and cars that are built and sold in 3rd world countries
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09/09/08, 04:25 PM
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Not only does a 4 cylinder Ranger realistically get about 20mpg, but my 6 cylinder full-size extended cab Silverado gets the SAME mpg (it averages around 21), with a lot more oomph, a full sized bed, and a back seat.
Just sayin'.
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That's why most ever car maker has done away with the small trucks.
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09/09/08, 04:27 PM
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Quote:
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I was hoping to find a small pickup to replace my 1998 Chevy S-10 when it finally bites the dust. It's got 160,000 miles on it. I treat it withl kid gloves hoping to get another 40-50 thousand miles out of it. I drive it 75 miles a day and it consistently gets 30 mpg. That's the part I like best!
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My dad had a 88 s-10 4cyl 5 speed that got 25-30 mpg he put 177,000 miles on it changed the plugs 1 time and changed the oil maybe 5 times. He does nothing to his GM trucks and always puts over 150,000 on them.
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