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Old 08/27/08, 10:04 PM
 
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Outdoor earth or clay oven

I have always wanted an outdoor oven to bake bread, meat, etc. in. I have a book on making an earth oven but the idea of using dirt does not appeal to me because I may sell some of the bread. Has anyone out there made one of these ovens and can you give me some tips. I was thinking of getting masonary clay and making a bee hive shaped one.
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Old 08/27/08, 10:29 PM
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I've always wanted one too. I did some research on them and found a wonderful web page with lots of ideas & designs. Here's a link to it. You might find some ideas that are not in the book. Another page has instructions on how to make an adobe oven. I keep thinking I'll get around to making one, but so many of them are so intriguing that I still haven't decided which one I want to build.
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Old 08/27/08, 11:30 PM
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Here are some more links.

http://www.ovencrafters.net/
http://www.traditionaloven.com/
http://mha-net.org/docs/v8n2/wildac06b.htm

I really wanted one too. DH wanted to learn to the the mud ones - so he could build one again if we had to move. I wanted the brick, for the same reasons you stated. I live in a very humid climate. I am not sure the mud ones would last very long. In TN they have a group called the 'barefoot builders" that hold classes on how to make an mud oven. I am not sure where you live - that might make a difference in the kind that you make.

I am not sure that a mud oven wouldn't work if you used the fire bricks on the 'floor' of the oven.
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Old 08/28/08, 12:10 AM
 
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I just recently visited the Taos Pueblo in New Mexico where they have been using outdoor earth ovens called hornos for over a thousand years. The bread and pies they make in them are absolutely delicious.

http://primitiveways.com/adobe_horno.html
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Old 08/28/08, 07:02 AM
 
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clay oven

You all have the same thoughts that I do. I see me using the outdoor oven at least once a week to bake my bread and cook food for a week. Think of a fresh apple pie or a fruited custard cooked in it. I just have to have one and with fall coming I feel the time is now. Thanks for the links.
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Old 08/28/08, 07:07 AM
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I know a guy that built an oven into the bank at his place... the best pizzas in the world!!! Go for it!!!
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Old 08/28/08, 09:59 AM
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Best type of oven depends on where you are...
if you are in a climate with a lot of freeze and thaw in winter, masonry might crack.

An earthen oven might crack, too, but it's easier to fix!
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Old 08/28/08, 10:45 AM
 
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Really great links, I'm lovin it! Thanks

Just to throw some other ideas out there.... The Indian Tandor oven (not native American)

It's made in a different shape where food is placed through the top. The flat chapati bread is stuck to the sides. Chicken is placed on large skewer/rods that sort of stand/lean inside.

http://piers.thompson.users.btopenworld.com/index.html
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Old 08/28/08, 10:47 AM
 
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I built a mud oven from kiko denzer's book ("build your own earth oven"). This style is based on the canadian ovens (as opposed to the southwestern adobe types) so it should be pretty good at withstanding extreme weather--though most of them do have roofs built overtop.

Pics at:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/breadni...7602168287743/

If you really want to *legally* sell bread out of your back yard, there can be lots of rules based on your local health code, so this might not be the best option. But, to get an idea of the process of baking with this type of oven, without the expense and permanency of a masonry brick oven, they're great.

Here's a few thoughts based on this thread:

The mud walls are solid, like cement, so it doesn't really get dirt on your food. Getting the floor super clean after shoveling the fire out and sweeping can be tricky--I sometimes can have a little ash on the bottoms of the first few loaves baked directly on the hearth. Nothing I mind, but you could bake on parchment paper or in pans to avoid it.

It's kind of a lot of work to use it--an all day thing. For ours it usually takes about 4 or 5 hours of burning to get it up to bread temperatures (600 to start). I mean, you can do other things while it's heating up, but it takes some tending. Say you start the fire at 8 am, you can probably bake by around 2 and it will stay hot for hours. If you get a later start you will be pulling things out of the oven long after dark with a flashlight

So if you are organized (and have some stamina) you can bake and cook a LOT of food. You get it really hot and the heat dissipates slowly, so you kind of arrange your schedule based on that--pizzas/breads first (500-600), then roasting (400+ degrees), then you can do other baking when it gets to 350 or so. For example, in one firing we have baked several batches of bread, then roasted a couple of chickens and some veggies, then baked a pie, and finished up with a batch of granola.
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You can also do a search for http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&q=quebec+oven.
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Old 08/28/08, 01:08 PM
 
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I also have the Denzler book and have been trying to get to building an oven all summer. I have finally found some clay and hope to get to it before the snow flies. Your pictures of construction are great, and will be a great resource for us. How many loaves, pizzas can you bake at once?
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Old 08/28/08, 02:03 PM
 
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I too have the Denzler book and love the look but I was wondering if I could use slabs of flag stone for the sides, top and bottom. I worry about lead content . I know there is iron in this area but that should be OK even helpful I think. Any thoughts on this?
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Old 08/28/08, 05:21 PM
 
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What is the difference between clay and dirt? I know that dirt doesn't have to be clay but clay is dirt. I have use them in the Army and they are great for cooking without ranges It sure beats the open fire.
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