horse and buggie permits

neal68 · #1 05/21/08, 01:37 PM

has anyone heard about a law stating that a permit is needed to use a horse and buggie on ny state roads if you are not amish?
dw and i are seriously considering buying a pair of horses and buggie to go places and a friend heared that we might need to get a permit to do so.

**ladycat** · #2 05/21/08, 02:53 PM

I don't know about New York, but I'm pretty sure I've read that the Amish in PA have to license their horse and buggy the same as you license a car.

Maybe you could call your local DMV and ask them.

Beaners · #3 05/21/08, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ladycat

I don't know about New York, but I'm pretty sure I've read that the Amish in PA have to license their horse and buggy the same as you license a car.

Maybe you could call your local DMV and ask them.

They also have brake lights and turn signals on the buggies.

Kayleigh

RoseGarden · #4 05/21/08, 03:04 PM

Conversely, the Amish in Ohio flatly refused to pay licensing fees for their rigs and won. Been several years back, haven't heard anything different since. I do know they have to have the orange triangle 'slow moving vehicle' sign on the back of their rigs.

edcopp · #5 05/21/08, 04:46 PM

Sounds like discrimination to me. Either all need a license, or all do not no matter what religeon they practice.

**ladycat** · #6 05/21/08, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by edcopp

Sounds like discrimination to me. Either all need a license, or all do not no matter what religeon they practice.

The Amish are forgetting Luke 20:25

And He said to them, "Then render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's."

uncle Will in In. · #7 05/21/08, 05:14 PM

In Ind. some counties require a plate and most don't.

CGUARDSMAN · #8 05/21/08, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by edcopp

Sounds like discrimination to me. Either all need a license, or all do not no matter what religeon they practice.

it has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with farm equipment and animals. just like you can drive a tractor down the road without a license plate.

**ladycat** · #9 05/21/08, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CGUARDSMAN

it has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with farm equipment and animals. just like you can drive a tractor down the road without a license plate.

Except horses and buggies aren't what you would call farm equipment. They are used just like a family car. You don't normally load your family up on a tractor and drive them to Walmart.

rangercat · #10 05/21/08, 06:14 PM

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I don't know about New York, but I'm pretty sure I've read that the Amish in PA have to license their horse and buggy the same as you license a car.

In PA, the horse/buggy driver is not regulated by DMV. They are required to have an orange triangle and lights but there are no regulations on the driver. I have seen 8 year olds going down the road in a pony cart.

In NY, the Swartzentruber Amish are exempt from the orange triangle. As far as drivers, I am pretty sure there are no regulations.

Be careful and good luck with your new mode of transportation!

Beaners · #11 05/21/08, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ladycat

You don't normally load your family up on a tractor and drive them to Walmart.

I've seen it done. Walmart smack dab in the middle of Missouri, with more than one tractor in the parking lot. Husband, wife and a child or two hopped down after they parked.

Kayleigh

Goatguy · #12 05/21/08, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ladycat

Except horses and buggies aren't what you would call farm equipment. They are used just like a family car. You don't normally load your family up on a tractor and drive them to Walmart.

HAHAH, You MUST be kidding... Horses aren't what you would call farm equipment?!? Horses certainly ARE what I would call farm equipment!

arabian knight · #13 05/21/08, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Goatguy

HAHAH, You MUST be kidding... Horses aren't what you would call farm equipment?!? Horses certainly ARE what I would call farm equipment!

Horses are livestock,,,,, not a piece of equipment.

joyceb · #14 05/21/08, 06:52 PM

I do not know the answer, but I've seen the Amish driving in IA and the have the orange "caution - slow moving" triangle and I believe plates, but I don't recall signal lights. I think they signaled like bicyclists.

Very interesting question though!

JoyceB

**ladycat** · #15 05/21/08, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Goatguy

HAHAH, You MUST be kidding... Horses aren't what you would call farm equipment?!? Horses certainly ARE what I would call farm equipment!

Lots of Amish don't even live on farms. What would you call their horses?

CGUARDSMAN · #16 05/21/08, 08:25 PM

Along hwy 60 e. of Springfield, Mo there are several Mennonite families that use tractors espeacially during bad weather one of them pulls a trailer with a camper on it to and from Wal-Mart and their different jobs...no license. Again the issue i had with edcopp's posting was that it has nothing to do with religion anyone can use a horse and buggy on the road if they follow that states requirements.

Westwood · #17 05/21/08, 08:29 PM

I lived in Oklahoma for 50 years and have never known of Amish who didn't farm. They might have a job off the place, but we couldn't have filed a Schedule F for them if they didn't have a farm.

In Mayes, and Rogers counties in Oklahoma, only a slow moving vehicle triangle is required just as with any other farm equipment. Amish or not. They ARE strongly encouraged to stay off the 4 lane Hwy 412 and keep to the old Hwy 33. In the last 20 years I HAVE noticed many of the Amish in Mayes County tend to drive their tractors to town rather than buggies. Still, none of the people there resent them not paying road use taxes or having to tag their buggies or tractors.

Truckinguy · #18 05/21/08, 08:55 PM

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Horses are livestock,,,,, not a piece of equipment.

Well, most people probably use a tractor now but it wasn't long ago that horses were the main power source on the farm. I'll bet many people still occasionally use horses around the farm or homestead as "muscle" to get things done and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if a couple of people are still around that still use them to plow from time to time if the job's not too big.

A horse and buggy does not cause the wear and tear on the roads that motor vehicles do so really should not have to pay the same road taxes.

**ladycat** · #19 05/21/08, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Westwood

I lived in Oklahoma for 50 years and have never known of Amish who didn't farm. They might have a job off the place, but we couldn't have filed a Schedule F for them if they didn't have a farm.

Amish exit farms to find work

The Amish move from farms to small businesses such as contracting has been under way for 20 years, said Donald B. Kraybill, a senior fellow at Young Center for Anabaptist and Pietist Studies at Elizabethtown College in Lancaster County.

"Half of all the Amish households in the country earn their living from nonfarm sources," Kraybill said. "That was 2 percent in 1950."

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pitt.../s_566576.html

Goatguy · #20 05/21/08, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ladycat

Lots of Amish don't even live on farms. What would you call their horses?

What about the fellow that doesn't farm but owns a tractor? Does that mean the tractor isn't still considered a farm implement? Just because a horse isn't always used as a farm implement doesn't mean the horse doesn't have the potential for such.

I for one am very thankful anytime the government doesn't feel the need to require a permit for this, a license for that, or a registration for one of those. The more they are out of my life (and anyone else's, including the Amish) the better.